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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just because they dehumanize themselves doesn't mean we have to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,546 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I just wish they'd dehumanise themselves with a bullet to their own skulls and save a lot of anguish for the poor Ukrainians. They are going to die for nothing anyway, but why inflict further suffering on their Ukrainian cousins?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭yagan


    Probably they've been fed fear and misinformation for a quarter of century under Putin.

    There was a lot of brain washing in Ireland about locking women up just because they got pregnant. When this subject comes up I can see the total mystification on younger generations who struggle to wrap their heads around that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian Orthodox church commandment…

    Thou shalt always lie. For the kingdom of heaven is a stupid place and God is a stupid being and Russia is all. So when the maker is met lie and feign humbleness and godliness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Rather defending strategic weapons with donkeys.

    just pointing out the obvious, putin now and that orange buffoon in the future, won't be there for the Ukrainians.

    But continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like the new Kursk offensive turned into similar outcome as the one last month or even worse. Now that the new fibre-optic drones are being mass produced it eliminates the electric warfare and can also be used in bad weather.

    First part of the video is footage from the latest attack.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I can see how you might think that way, but I'm more interested in what is true. I do review quite a bit of information regarding the conflict, and give greater weight to information that is shown to be true. After three years of the conflict during which pro-NATO narratives (Russia will run out X in Y weeks, Russia's economy will collapse in X weeks, NATO wunderwaffen will rout the Russian rabble, the great 2023 counteroffensive will win the war, 10 thousand North Koreans in Kursk, etc, etc, etc) were shown to be incorrect, then from a pro-NATO perspective that believed these things any truthful, realistic analysis will seem objectionable. But it's still true, regardless.

    At the end of the day my views are based on the evidence that even pro-NATO sources are now - through gritted teeth - reporting about how badly the Ukrainians are suffering. If the evidence changes, my views will change. I'm not sure that is true for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Yup, sure - its an interesting article that gets looks at why why a lot of Ukrainians - even those who are not sympathetic to Russia - don't identify with the state and don't believe they must defend it.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/1/23/why-is-ukraine-struggling-to-mobilise-its-citizens-to-fight

    EDIT - The authors mention the conscripts being beaten and tortured in Ukrainian units. While I was already aware of this generally, I was still shocked when I saw an image from a recent case in the 211th Brigade of the Ukrainian Army. There is a photo circulating (I wont link it, but its in Ukrainian media reports about the brigade if you want to see it) of a man in military uniform proudly posing before another man (also in uniform) who has been crucified and is either dead, or unconscious. The man posing with his victim is the son of the 211th brigades chief of staff. From the Ukrainian reports, beatings, torture and demands for money from the conscripts were commonplace.

    It's hardly shocking then that between casualty rates, and the brutality they suffer in their own units that so many are unwilling to fight.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Shock horror, people don't want to be drafted to fight in a war.

    I'm struggling to understand what your point is supposed to be. You could find the same voxpops in the UK during WW2.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    When you see what these guys are going through. Defending the civilised world from the inhuman things that are Putinists. Then you have the Putinists on here upholding their commandment to lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There's no interest in the truth in your posts, only in reductionist narratives whereby NATO/West are the "villains" to blame

    Which is all directly in line with Putin speeches and Kremlin propaganda.

    NATO wunderwaffen will rout the Russian rabble, the great 2023 counteroffensive will win the war,

    People support Ukraine, and naturally hope they will succeed. They express this through hope and optimism, even if some is misplaced. It comes from a good place.

    Your posts don't come from a good place, they come from a place of bitterness, relishing setbacks for Ukraine, all of which betrays your real world views. No one is going to change your mind or opinion, it's just an exercise in demonstrating that even individuals can become badly consumed by propaganda and self indoctrination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭yagan


    Maybe they're reluctant because they'd like a donkey like the Russians get as standard issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    The Germans were fed fear and disinformation about Jews and Slavs, not for a mere dozen years, but for hundreds of years, but that doesn't excuse them one whit. Everybody that cheered on their soldiers as they marched into other countries, that grinned when liberals and socialists and gay people were denounced, that shrugged as their freedoms were taken away, that attended the rallies, that turned a blind eye when their neighbours were arrested, that turned away when they saw Jewish shops trashed or burned, they all shared in the guilt. The same applies to the Ruzzians. No pity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Russians forcing “walking” wounded back to the front to become a meat-wave, while the AFU take care of thier troops, keep them motivatied and even turn some injured troops into literal cyborgs (I kind of love that).

    This is part of why many of us support Ukraine. They appear to have considerably more humanity in thier desire to fight. They fight to protect their homes, loved ones and do what they can to look after those who do fight for them. And then we have the Russian way of doing things.

    One of these approaches gives us hope for humanity…the other does not….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    must be awful demoralising for friends of Russia to know they are next on chopping block to die by a robot for dear leader



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    When you think about it.


    Kursk holds strong 6 months later😂


    Russia is a mess. Sooner the better it’s put out of its misery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Sand also cheered on the US + Allied invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think it's Russian propaganda that has him going against Ukraine. Go figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We have reached this point a lot faster then I expected I don't know about the rest of you. I was setting 2026 as the date when this would become common place. This is based off the analysis of when Russian armour stockpiles would dry up.

    If the war was paused for 2 years Russia would be able to patch up and get working a decent amount of the dwindling stockpile but the reality is the degrading equipment takes time so we're only seeing a drip feed nowhere near enough.

    Russia either scale back the number of attacks or continue using civilian vehicles and take heavier losses. My money is on option B.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Wow.

    This is almost like the PlayStation/Xbox kids of the last 25+ years have been let loose.

    Who said video gaming was a waste of time!

    😂😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    I’m starting to think, hear me out, that Putin underestimated the Ukrainian resolve and capability when he decided to invade Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Maybe he does understand and maybe the genius Putin actually meant October 2026 all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,824 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Russians making ground in Chasiv Yar, albeit incredibly slowly. The area they recently made advances in was completely destroyed by their own shelling, which isn't new. They had started to move through water pipes and accumulate a force of 100+ near the frontline when their movements were spotted by drone operators, who had started tracking their movements. A bunker buster was called in and killed most of them. They then decided to burn the basement full of bodies which made the city stink if burnt flesh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I assume in the very near future AI will take over the targeting on these drones….swarms of AI drones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Trying to think of what Trump peace plan might look like, Kellogg seems determined to end the war and Trump wants to be called a peacemaker

    There would have to be sticks and carrots for both sides (sadly as one side is clearly in wrong to have started the war) and as the saying goes the sign of a good deal is when neither side is happy

    Ukraine Sticks:

    • termination of us military aid
    • Loss of intelligence provided by satellites and us drones (aside flights over Black Sea resumed)
    • No NATO membership

    Ukraine carrots

    • EU membership
    • Seized Russian assets used for reconstruction
    • Zaporizhe NPP to restore destroyed grid capacity

    Russia sticks

    • increased military support to Ukraine
    • Ratcheting up of sanctions especially around oil (which Trump might do regardless as directly helps America first drill baby drill agenda)

    Russia carrots

    • Keep areas they captured
    • Some sanctions removed (tho not all)
    • No nato membership for Ukraine


    Trump wild cards:

    • he demands Crimea as 51st state and for his resorts where Russians can continue to holiday and hence be a form of reparations
    • Few more oil related infrastructure and refineries especially in far east supplying China mysteriously explode
    • A mix of European and ex USSR states troops move into buffer zone to separate both sides
    • Companies connected to Trump get access to minerals in Donbass in perpetuity

    Trump is highly transactional and if he can make a few bob out of this for his crime family and wider oligarch network he will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,546 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    If only my soldiers would stop dying then I'd get what I want!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    How stupid are these people, a few nets are going to stop Ukraine from obliterating the orc supply lines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    More Ukrainian advances, this time in the south.



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