Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Correct - this conflict cannot continue in a humane society.

As for big ideas, how's about all Gazan Palestinians are relocated throughout Israel - given homes, jobs and support etc. - whilst Israel rebuilds the Gaza strip for it to be occupied by Israelis. A straight swap.

It's no less a big idea than Trump's anyhow.

If you expect the western world to commit to Palestine’s wish for…. Something, I don’t even know what that something is anymore and cooling off on Israel in the next 50 years, I think you’re expecting a lot.

Gaza got massacred in an age where the world was relatively sympathetic for left wing causes. I’m not sure we’ll see an age as sympathetic to left wing causes in the next epoch.

The wish and support of many people is a two state solution - even within Israel.

If you're right and you expect that "sympathy" for just causes to evaporate then the ICJ is going to either be folded or it will be very busy with many Genocide cases - Gaza, West Bank, Taiwan, Greenland, Ukraine…

If the world allows aggressors to simply take what they want by force, then the world is in for major upheavals. And it will be deserved.

As for Gaza being "massacred" (I prefer Genocided), I don't think "the left" had too much to do with it. The US supply of 2000lb bombs to the IDF and the IDF's use of them in densely populated areas of Gaza was the cause.

There's a lot more sympathy for the Palestinians than the Israelis right now from what I can see.

But you are correct - it is difficult to see any path to peace at the moment. But if the US goes after the EU as regards tariffs and trade, perhaps that would be enough to harden the positions of the big EU boys as regards Israel.

Perhaps an ICJ ruling that Israel has committed Genocide and/or Gallant and Netanyahu being found guilty of war crimes would be enough to turn the tide.

It's all speculation of course - no idea what's actually going to happen.

full agency as the stealing of land as part of war is still illegal, especially where and when it's about nonsense religious scripture.

Good BBC article by Jeremy Bowen detailing why the US plan for Gaza will not work (but proposing it carries danger):

Some interesting reactions to Trump's proposal for Gaza from Spain, France and UK and J Street.

Haaretz

• Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares stated that "Gaza is the land of Gazan Palestinians and they must stay in Gaza." France's Foreign Ministry said it opposes "any forced displacement of the Palestinian population of Gaza, which would constitute a serious violation of international law, an attack on the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians, but also a major obstacle to the two-state solution and a major destabilizing factor for our close partners Egypt and Jordan, as well as for the entire region."
  
• U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer said that the Palestinians "must be allowed home, they must be allowed to rebuild, and we should be with them in that rebuild on the way to a two-state solution."
  
• The liberal Jewish group J Street's president, Jeremy Ben-Ami, said that his organization"cannot express strongly enough opposition to the ideas being put forward by President Trump regarding Gaza."

Don't rule out the Saudis and UAE offering to rebuild Gaza in return for real estate ownership and the use of Palestinians as slave workers. Fits with their current modus operandi.

If the Palestinians don't want that option, Qatar as the mediator, could step in to do the same.

Trump's son has extensive links to Saudi royalty and their real estate interests.

They wouldn't have to relocate millions, just hire them to work on construction and real estate.

Access to the Mediterranean would be useful for their yachts.

Edit: As for enslaving fellow Muslims, the UAE have no problem enslaving Afghans, Pakistani and Banglasdeshi muslims.

It took 200,000 construction workers to build Dubai Expo, I am sure that rebuilding Gaza will take more.

Trump would be delighted with the UAE and Saudi doing most of the heavy lifting for the reconstruction, on condition of normalising relations with Israel, suppressing the terrorists and giving his son some handy real estate.

I've seen how construction works in Dubai, none of their construction workers had any experience either.

As for the women and children, well the women know their place in the Muslim world and the children can work from 14.

They might have a choice, work on the sites or head to the refugee camps in Egypt or Jordan. The Saudis and UAE, if smart, could create space in the camps by offering men a job.

Trump doesn't have a plan, he had a brain fart. It's only a couple of weeks since he talked about taking over Greenland and Panama and even he's probably already forgotten about that.

Considering what Israel is doing is morally wrong, there's nobody but Israel that should pay.

Its pretty much a foregone conclusion thats how the ICC, ICJ will decide

Its why nethanyahoo will never look to goto court and seek to clear his name, never happening, he knows hes guilty. Do you yhink he'll show up.

The we is me, the majority of people outside Israel & USA and you. I take it you think the leveling of gaza, murdering of innocent people and the land robbing is wrong.

The reason Russians and every other person in the world wouldn't goto Palestine is because Israel has been dropping 2k Lb bombs onto housing, hospitals and childrens schools.

Trump probably has a 3D scale model of New Las Vegas already - the Wise Guy…

It's funny you should say that. I hear there's a load of lads in Gaza who've suddenly become available. I hear they're especially experts in underground excavating.