Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Ireland could design and build infrastructure, we have a fantastic building industry. We couldn't do it all, but our fair share. Im sure the UK, Germany, France, Italy would all do the same. All the funding coming from Israel, seen as they leveled the place. I don't think Israels industry should profit from this, just pay the bills.

That's what the families of the bloody Sunday victims say, oh wait, they don't say that.

I worked with a Gazan for about six months around 2009, one of the nicest work colleagues. He never said such things about Israel. Never.

Gaza was barely livable before the war thanks to the blockade. Israel have made sure it wont be populated by Palestinians in the future. They will be evicted from their land.

Worth a read. This is pre Oct 7th.

- Suffocation and Isolation 17 Years of Israeli Blockade on Gaza

As I said to you before, you can scream and cry it is "nonsense" till you are blue in the face (and no doubt noone will ever be brought to book), but it won't wash.

Again I predict (think I said this to you before??) as time goes on, Israelis could eventually end up like nationalist Turks and such, fragile people that will fly into a rage if the unfortunate little bout of, erm, genocide staining their past is brought up.

Very sad if that happens to the people whose ancestors suffered the Holocaust, but I suppose we are all just human.

You could be heading there already (!), and people could just be afraid to tell you what they really think as they know the reaction.

BTW I don't think anyone will rebuild Gaza (fool me once…and the EU and Arab donors have been fooled by Israel merrily blowing up Palestinian infrastructure they paid for several times. The EU also has an awful lot on it's plate now, in case you were unaware.).

Certainly not till a lot more of the remaining inhabitants are safely dead or fled. Then Israel and the US can rebuild. Investment can come in to get the Barron-Trumpville seaside resort or whatever up and running! Maybe you can visit or something.

Disgusting rhetoric by Trump. Wants his own trail of tears.

Looks like a new bill is being brought in which enables settlers to purchase land in the west bank. A couple of days ago Tom Cotton and republicans coincidentally introduced a bill which would mandate all government documents to refer the West bank as Judea and Samaria.

I remember the time early on in the thread if anyone suggested such a thing was labelled as being an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.

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Can't thank this post enough. What did they expect, were they stupid? I think stupid is a big part of Convict Trump supporters. The token bomb shipment restrictions Biden put in, and the embargos of illegal West Bank Settlers, have already been removed by Trump. With all the chaos in DC and the deep secretiveness of the Convict Trump admin, imagine what they're getting up to. Jared wants the land.

It doesn't just sound stupid. You could see this coming from years back, quite literally. This is Jared's plan on steroids. It reminds me of the voters in the UK who voted for Brexit because "it couldn't get any worse". It can always get worse. Always. And all the Arab American voters who refused to vote for Kamala are now reaping exactly the rewards their stupidity deserves.

Interesting moment for Martin, Harris, and all the other Irish left-wingers who publicly backed Palestine in the war. If Trump and Netanyahu get their way and force a resettlement in Gaza then the government reaction has to be something akin to what we did with Russia, severing ties with both Israel and the US. That would mean sanctioning Israeli/American business, seizing their assets, boycotting their products, travel bans, etc. If as they claim Israel are breaking so many of their precious "international laws", that is Ireland's only possible reaction.

Of course, the uncomfortable position that we're not in could easily have been avoided if Harris and Martin weren't so publicly vociferous about taking sides in the Hamas/Israeli war.

Agreed… Like turkeys voting for Christmas. Ok so I'm not sure anybody thought he was going to announce a mid-east riviera under US control but I am not massively shocked at the suggestion either

Israel was at war with Hamas, rightfully trying to defend themselves against Hamas aggression. Lefties here used that opportunity to start pushing Ireland to recognise a Palestinian state. Israel stated quite clearly at the time that they viewed this action as rewarding and legitimizing Hamas. Our government ignored this and powered ahead. Now Irish-Israeli foreign relations are broken, and with Trump in charge, our relations with America are under massive pressure.

You can shout and stomp your feet all you want, but this government has taken us down the path of having bad relations with not only Israel, but the US. If it's your position that the Palestinian cause is worth it, then so be it.

If you're occupied for a long time, when should you stop fighting. I mean if for example, they were occupied for 700 years by the british, would the guys who continue the fight be idiots? And would it warrant the British coming in and displacing the whole island population?

What world are you living in? Earlier you said that our government publicly backed Palestine in the war. You provided absolutely no proof of that. Our government didn't support anyone in the war, the called out crimes against civilians. I'm sure you'll never provide proof.

Now you're saying that they shouldn't have recognized a Palestinian state because it might make israel unhappy. Are you saying that we should go down the Chamberlain route? Appeasement of aggression? Just tell Israel to take all of the Palestinian Arab land just because we want them to be happy?

Now Trump wants to take over the whole of the gaza strip and displace the population. How exactly will you say that this is the fault of Harris? And how is it the fault of the Palestinian people?

Pretty soon they'll be leveling tariffs on the Eu.

I'm sure that at some point we'll have the apologisers here saying that the EU and, and Ireland in particular, should force Denmark to give Greenland to the US and we should try and force Canada to become the 51st state. And if we don't, it's our own fault we have tariffs.

It's probably more of an issue for the trump thread, but I don't think there's any way to keep trump happy except by giving him exactly what he wants. He's purging government agencies of anyone that isn't loyal to him.

applying history from centuries upon centuries past has little actual relevance to modern geopolitics or warfare in my view.

For the era of the Provos which is the era that has any relevance to modern warfare or geopolitics or the Israel Arab conflict, they made war when it was the right thing to do and made peace when it no longer was.

Now that it’s probably gone past the stage where a two state solution is possible then the place is basically damned and a land without hope or plausible solutions.