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DART+ (DART Expansion)

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Looks like route clearance/gauging testing, so checking platform interface, pantograph, radio coverage and so on. ETCS possibly

    The endurance testing is Inchicore Hazelhatch, 3 round trips on a single charge, with new batteries it should make it comfortably



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Think Geoff Marshall measures the width on his video about the new fleet, fairly sure they’re wider than 9’4”.

    Edit: 9’7” apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭highdef


    I saw that video when it was released and found the bit where they measured the width because the tape measure clearly showed approx 102"/2.6m and when Geoff asked the guy what 260cm is in old money, he said it's 9' 7"(ish) however 260cm is about 8' 6" so not sure where he got his figure from considering he could see the inches on the tape measure when he looked again.

    Now clearly this was the interior measurement, from the inside of one door to the inside of the other but if it's 8' 6" on the inside, I would imagine the train could not be much more than 9' wide in total. If so, this would be such a waste of the available loading gauge at our disposal.

    The new X'trapolis 2.0 trains being introduced in Melbourne are in the same family as our own, obviously with differences. The cars are a smidgin under 10' wide and they run on 1500V DC on 1600mm rails, just like here! You can clearly the spacious width in the photo below. Why IE did not specify wider cars is a bit puzzling.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    when Geoff asked the guy what 260cm is in old money, he said it's 9' 7"(ish) however 260cm is about 8' 6" so not sure where he got his figure from considering he could see the inches on the tape measure when he looked again.

    I think it was clear from the context that he didn’t know what it was in old money and just gave any answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Is that with the new train to Wicklow, or just finishing off the ETCS testing on the ICR?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    IMG_A0FF2980EFE3-1.jpeg

    Another one off the boat recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭p_haugh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    yeah



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    is the new spencer dock station alot closer to construction as per the article below?

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/council-rejects-johnny-ronans-plans-to-build-docklands-padel-courts/a107936710.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    Would be great if anyone got a video of these out on the network…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭specialbyte


    The planning file is here if anyone else is interested:

    https://planning.agileapplications.ie/dublincity/application-details/164560

    My understanding is that NTA/Irish Rail will tender for construction the second they have an enforceable railway order. Whether that means they need to wait for the High Court to resolve the judicial review of the Ashtown underpass issue or the High Court limits the scope of that judicial review to that section of the railway order.

    Whether that is this year, next year or the year after is unclear right now. The planning application from the developer saying nothing would happen before 2030 is total nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    It wasn't out on Saturday night/Sunday morning ☹️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    It won't be out on the main road for a good while yet.

    The ETCS testing that's scheduled is on the 22000 set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    ETCS signalling is now in place on the DART coastal line between Drogheda and Greystones, ready for the new trains.

    Alstom completes one of Europe’s largest Level 1 ETCS installation for Ireland | Alstom

    The signalling work actually extends beyond DART+ as far north as Dundalk, although I suspect that actually means as far as the NI border, ready for the new Enterprise rolling stock which is out for tender at present.

    Post edited by KrisW1001 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Goes all the way to the border, the new Enterprise fleet at tender phase currently will not have the legacy CAWS pulse code system

    It also appears to cover Connolly-Glasnevin

    The ETCS includes command balise's to trigger mode switches between 1500V DC and internal power modes

    Post edited by goingnowhere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Bsharp


    Would there be much involved extending the ETCS to Wicklow do you know? The BEMU project would need it for the trains to run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    The high level design for the entire network has already been done and locations marked out. Fairly trivial, a few weeks at most to install and commission.

    Its not just the ETCS the DART+ and new Enterprise fleets will not have the UIC 751-3 radio system, they will be GSM-R so you need GSM-R kit from border to Wicklow as well. The Malahide/Howth-Greystones section is already live with GSM-R,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Bit of a look at the initial moving tests of the new units within Incicore



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Interesting video. Looking at the livery, I wonder how dirty the white lower carriage sides will look after a day out in the Dublin rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    It's out there!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    Iarnród Éireann have told Wicklow County Council that the DART will be extended to Kilcoole and Wicklow Town by the end of 2028.

    https://wicklownews.net/2025/02/rail-improvements-expected-for-greystones-kilcoole-and-wicklow-town/

    Some key points from the article include:

    • Hourly service to Kilcoole and Wicklow Town.
    • 20 minute service to Greystones.
    • Extension of Kilcoole platform by 44 metres.
    • Extension of both platforms at Wicklow Town by 40 metres.
    • DART+ Coastal South will be done in two stages (Stage 1 - Greystones to Bray; Stage 2 - Bray to Connolly) and is expected to go to public consultation in Summer 2025.
    • Double tracking "some areas" between Greystones Station and the long Bray Head Tunnel.

    Good news but still a lot of questions to be answered. 2028 doesn't seem very ambitious considering the skeleton service that already runs past Greystones. The timetable won't have a lot of room for delays with a 20 minute service too. Will be interesting to see if the services from Rosslare continue to operate to Dublin or will they terminate at Bray/Greystones/Wicklow Town? There's still paths available for them, albeit, they'll continue to crawl along from Bray to Dublin as they currently do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Rather than being unambitious, 2028 is likely unrealistically soon, based on how every other timeline has slipped so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The platform extensions require planning permission, but not a full Railway Order, so nothing on that list would need to go near the single biggest source of delay in the DART+ programme, which is ABP.

    “Double tracking” really means passing loops, and, like the platform extensions, I don’t think that these normally need ABP involvement. The Galway-Athenry passing-loop planning requests went directly to Galway Co.Co, and was granted within 5 months.

    Signalling to support the new trains is only laid as far as Greystones, but extension to Wicklow isn’t going to be a big deal, and again, no planning is needed.

    I think it’s do-able.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 orb123


    Good news in theory but they've missed every deadline they set for the coastal south consultation over the last two years… I'll believe it when I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Ireland trains


    https://mmo.aiircdn.com/286/67c1c523b1193.pdf

    Here’s the presentation, Q4 2028 completion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    There's politics at play though. The NTA done their usual, they let Irish Rail reach a point where they were ready for public consultation and then pulled it because they didn't fancy a fight with the D4 residents. But now that it's split into '2 phases' with phase 2 on the never never and simultaneously will be closing the level crossings on the Maynooth line there's grounds to rinse and repeat…and probably pull it again so as not to upset the well healed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    zero chance it'll be done by 2028 IMO. They've been promising the plans for about 2 years and now they're not being published until the summer!

    they mention in the presentation upgrading and automating the Ennis Lane crossing - this seems a bit pointless as it's essentially a pedestrian crossing other than very infrequent farm traffic (there's one field on the seaward side of the line).

    There's loads of space to the south of the crossing to put in a bridge or underpass with ramps for pedestrians, and put some sort of arrangements in place for unlocking the crossing gates for the farmer (which I assume already exist as the vehicle gates are locked currently).



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