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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    AE have closed their cargo facility at Shannon, so I doubt that is it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Dublin only has wide body takeoffs on 16/34 during favourable wind conditions when there’s too much of a crosswind for the east west runways. You wouldn’t see fully laden A330s take off on 16/34 during calm conditions.

    A321s would make it out of Cork to the US on windy days but you can’t really provide a flight to the US on condition it’s windy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Looks like Munich could be getting the chop for W25/26. First flight to Lyon is now on sale, DUB based aircraft like usual, but no sign of Munich



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    https://x.com/eicknews/status/1882110380820021261

    "LM will increase capacity on the AMS route following Aer Lingus’ decision to axe their Amsterdam route.On most evening flights to Amsterdam in April, KLM will utilise their Embraer E195-E2 aircraft on the route.This aircraft can carry up to 132 passengers, while the usual E190 can hold 100 passengers, and the E175 can carry 88 passengers."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Very disappointing. I expected it, but still very disappointing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I think three flights a day is good at least. I can live with the Embraers if we have 3 each way per day. The problem I had previously was if there was a problem with a morning flight, I was caught until late at night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Still just 2x day as things stand. A320 was 174 seats so an E195 E2 doesn't really come close to bridging the cap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Indeed. Looks like W25/26 will be dead in terms of EI activity.

    No additional flights to ACE in December. Likely that Munich is getting the axe, meaning the Salzburg ski charters are at risk too.

    It's looking very likely that the only routes being operated by Cork based aircraft next winter will be LHR,ACE and TFS. 6 routes total next winter Vs 9 routes total this winter.

    Very sad to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Acosta


    I can live with the Embraers, but not the prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    They are very competitive on long haul but extortionate P2P.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I believe FR3054 to beauvais had a tail strike on takeoff today - returned immediately to Cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Acosta


    I saw that on Flight Radar this morning and was wondering what it was. The flight only just landed at Paris. They must have been stuck at the airport for 10 or 11 hours. Rough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Lots of us have been saying for years that Aer Lingus really don't care about Cork, and it's kind of all happening at once now.

    I don't worry as much about the Salzburg charter, someone else will provide it I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Why would any commercial airline "care" about Cork? If they can operate profitable routes they will, if they aren't profitable, they won't run them. It's not personal, folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    They often sold the same full plane in Cork that they sell in Dublin, but at a higher price (AMS for instance). Cork is profitable, but it's not interesting to them: they want to consolidate around Dublin and Heathrow.

    So to ask back the equivalent question: why do they "care" about Dublin? Likely because their maintenance crews and flight crews are there and it's just less complex to manage. Possibly also they don't believe the growth predictions for Cork.

    I'm not arguing that they necessarily should care about Cork by the way, I just disliked them running down their profitable routes (for instance AMS, MUC) and telling everyone "there's no demand" when there clearly was demand. They have wanted out of Cork for a long time, that's all I'm trying to highlight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭revelman


    It is not that routes from Cork are not profitable.

    Aer Lingus want to run a regular service from Dublin - say daily flights to Berlin as an example. A twice weekly route from Cork to Berlin would be viable but it would jeaprodise the daily route from Dublin so that’s why it’s not happening.

    This is not speculation. I heard this from the horse’s mouth. Such a shame for those of us in Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    That's long been what I suspected. For Schiphol, they're in a battle against Ryanair on the Dublin route, and for Munich it's Lufthansa (there's 27 flights a week from DUB to MUC. There was 1 from ORK to MUC)

    Aer Lingus are all-in on "bolstering Dublin", and to an extent "bolstering Heathrow".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Look, sorry about the rant here. This is the work a decent council could be doing. On behalf on businesses, employment , trade etc. “ create some incentives for these routes and planes to be based there. Big boy pants pulled up, stopping the whining about airlines. But im fairly sure that’s not going to happen.

    I know holiday makers can mostly manage. It’s the long term future of city that’s a little more complicated. a lack of flights has an impact of where corporates choose to expand their operations.

    Ireland is an island, flights are a basic in the modern world. cork is a center of education and industry, tech, pharma, manufacturing, engineering, services. it’s not just a puny side-colony of London Heathrow.

    and forget Dublin. That airport serves the north, not cork.

    Like it or not, that means all those other similar hubs of industry that are accessible have an advantage . I know of two investments that cork companies missed out on in the last year, where connectivity was a factor. The teams in cork did a great job presenting , but when you’re not the cheapest market, and housing workers is a pain, why also make the airport a weak spot?

    I think the passenger numbers are not the be-all either. If a plane is almost empty, but carries three corporate heads who can approve a 500M expansion for a Cork facility worth another 300 jobs and a heap more tax revenue , then why count that as a failure vs 200 beer-lovers who might use the same route for Oktoberfest a month later?

    Whenever I read the council minutes, I see parochial. They carefully read their opening prayers, continue reading lists of dead people into the minutes, discuss parking and congratulate gaa teams. Nothing remotely provocative or innovative . They behave like a village committee , barely capable of challenging a rowdy tea party, let alone representing the people of cork by incentivising these flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭agoodusername


    I used the AMS Aer Lingus route for what is probably the 50th and final time last week, the plane was packed both ways.

    I only really use the route for travelling to the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium, never for connecting anywhere, with the prices of KLM I only ever used them when I had to travel on a Saturday.

    It'd definitely a disappointment, I can't really justify the KLM prices over Ryanair in Dublin especially for travelling outside of the Netherlands, it just makes life slightly more awkward. I hope that the KLM prices aren't too prohibitive if booked in advance but I was almost always deciding on dates within a month of flying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Seems Ryanair launched their summer schedule today, 1 route extended from Winter (Fue), increases across as spate of other routes. Jan 25 up 7% on Jan 24.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41568337.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    What kind of price differential were you seeing between KLM and Aer Lingus? I typically have return EI flights for €200-250 and KLM skewing towards the €250-300 mark. I sometimes get KLM for <€150.

    I typically see Dublin for €100-150 mark, though you can get it for €40 at cheapest. So the differential for me between Cork and Dublin is much less than €200 and I can't justify Dublin on that cost, certainly not for work.

    I agree that it's a shame KLM is more expensive than Aer Lingus, just that it's not going to change my behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    https://x.com/eoghancorry/status/1887139566626148516?s=46


    little bit more detailed on the passenger numbers here, looking good for a big year.
    notably Amsterdam is the second most popular route - really makes you question Aer Lingus decision to cut it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Interested to see April’s passenger numbers. AMS is always at #2 behind LHR so it will be interesting to see how far down it drops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Probably outside of the top 5 anyway until when/if KLM ups capacity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    The writing was on the wall after they lost the KLM codeshare and when KLM subsequently came in on the route themselves. They'll probably make alot more profit on Bilbao and Bordeaux and extra flights on other holiday routes, that's why they've pulled it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    No mention of runway extension, unfortunatley.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41568862.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    “Is Cork and other regional airports benefiting from the Dublin CAP? Not to a degree that you keep it. And if you lifted the Dublin cap you’ll get even more benefit. I am all for rebalancing aviation across Ireland, but the way you do it is you come up with a regional airports development programme. You don’t hurt Dublin.”


    "So that’s the competition. That should further fuel the sense of urgency to get the cap lifted at Dublin because, trust me, that American Airlines CEO that rang me yesterday to ask if there cap is on everywhere in Ireland or just Dublin, he’s thinking ‘Gatwick next, so’.

    How does this make any sense? Why would the American Airlines CEO ring him asking if the cap only applied to Dublin and then decide to fly to Gatwick instead when he was told it does only apply to Dublin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Seems to be focussing on medium term plans… I still have hope for long term🤞(I’m delusional its never happening )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭thomil


    I have to say that I am surprised that Aer Lingus was willing to relinquish some of its slots at AMS. The airport does have capacity constraints and whilst it's nowhere near as constricted as LHR, those slots will still be a prized commodity.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    I belive slots at AMS are not owned by the airlines but are just traded? So sitting on those slots running loss making/not very profitable flights isn't of much benefit to Aer Lingus?



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