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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    None that I can see on the data for Friday Saturday anyway.

    Either way, what's your obsession with an AX ?

    Having an AX on a route isn't doing much for capacity at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They don’t as they are all set down only from Islandbridge to UCD and consequently don’t pick up passengers at Heuston.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    This user's a bus fan clouded by their obsession at, you guessed it, a fanatic level rather than an objective analysis of operational requirements, which promptly invalidates most of their arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I thought that express routes historically operated by Dublin Bus, although limited stop services, did actually pick up at Heuston, seeing it's an important hub point on the route.

    So now we're going to have X routes that are not supposed to pick up at Heuston with a new one that will. Potential for confusion and driver-passenger conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They used to yes, but that changed when the C Spine was rolled out.

    We don’t have exact details of what the proposal actually is - it could just be allowing the current “X” routes to pick up at Heuston again, but frankly that’s probably not going to deliver the necessary capacity as most of them are pretty full with C Spine passengers as it is by then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,860 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    L2 (which goes to Newcastle). Destination scroll: Newcastle

    L1 (which goes to NewtownMK). Destination scroll: Newcastle Hospital

    Now, I know where that is, it's in Newtown, but for anyone not familiar with the routes it's a recipe for confusion. The 184, which the L1 has basically replaced, said "Newtown" on the front, why change it?

    TFI seems to have inherited DBs fondness for obscure destinations like Omnipark and Oldcourt.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,860 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Gripe #2: it's called BusConnects and they've made great play of the benefits of having connecting services. Why then are they not shown on the strip maps on the bus stops? How difficult would it have been to show what other services stop at each stop?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I'd hardly call Omnipark obscure. It's a fairly well known shopping centre. Yeah I'd agree not sure why it's displaying Newcastle Hospital now everyone knows Newtown.

    Maybe it's to try and make it clear the bus continues beyond the village down to the hospital. It could argued just saying Newtown is a bit confusing as it actually continues a bit beyond just the village.

    None of the destinations are as bad as 'Drogheda Mall' which the N6 was originally displaying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭john boye


    I may have this wrong but I think the issue with Omni Park was that it was quite far away from the terminus. Unless I'm thinking of another 16 destination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The bus terminus was in the shopping centre car park - I suspect you’re thinking of somewhere else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Ireland trains


    With the latest phase having been in existence for a week now, I thought I’d give my experience of them so far.

    X1/2 - busses have been bunching far more than previously, even in the evening despite services operating at 20 minute intervals. Also a lot of drivers seem to be stopping at every N11 stop.
    A lot of disquiet about the X2’s detour to Cherrywood, which has added on around 10 minuets even in light traffic. A colleague even said their southbound X1 overtook an X2.

    Still, people are alighting for the Luas at Brides Glen, and I’d imagine more will make use of the connection over time.

    The removal of the off-peak departures is also unpopular, especially the 10:30 departure which was often full.

    Timings are also off, with 2 minuets given for an X2 to get from Cherrywood to Bray’s Southern Cross. I don’t see why old running times can’t simply be copied from overlapping parts of the old route (same for E1 and E2).

    L1/2 - Lots of cancellations, but gives a good frequency from Greystones to Bray, with Sundays seeing big improvements - you could hardly make it to Bray by pt on a Sunday pre 9am before. Haven’t seen any single deckers on the route.
    L1 screens and route maps saying Newcastle Hospital is misleading, and is baffling as it’s essentially a carbon copy of the 184, with the same operator (also noticed bus stop timetables saying valid from 30/06/2024 :).

    L3 - have seen about 2 people use it, and surprisingly some double deckers on it.

    E-Spine - lots of bunching with convoys of E1’s followed minutes later by a heard of E2’s.

    Overall, there’s a welcome increase in buses in Greystones, but the implementation has been awful. The city’s bus network can’t fall apart every time a new phase is rolled out. The sloppy running times and cancellations are mostly avoidable, and just damage the public’s opinion of BusConnects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    My personal experience has been no issues with the E1/E2. Not surprised there's bunching though I was on an E2 last week that left DL station at the exact same time as another E2. The bus I was on was crawling along and the other one shot on ahead. I understand bunching happens but two buses shouldn't be leaving the terminus at the exact same time. Seem to be plenty of buses on the E1/E2 anyway so can't really complain.

    The L27/L26 have been a disaster from what I've heard locally. But the 63 was also a disaster for the last year. Seems Go-Ahead operated are having much more issues than anything DB operated.

    Just my personal experience but all I hear is excuses for GAI. Just seem to hear loads of excuses for poor performance from GAI but not hearing near the same issues with DB. It's completely unacceptable that out of two operators one seems to be doing okay and the other is a disaster.

    Should've given the L1/L2 to DB and the less important L12 and L14 operated by GAI. Like why are GAI still persisting with the practice of interworking buses when it's been clear from day one it doesn't work. Keep drivers and buses on the same route for the day and stop mixing up duties. They won't because it's cheaper to run it that way and Go-Ahead have to make a profit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Arhanedus


    Regarding the E spine, I have had some issues with them, though most of this is caused by the messed up schedules.
    I think I mentioned it here a couple days ago, but on one day I had my E1 get overtaken by the next one near UCD, yet mine continued to crawl along while the next one went ahead. Then on the way back it was the opposite, where I had freshly missed two E1's leaving DCU, yet the next bus overtook both of them in city centre and arrived to Bray first.

    E1's also have a huge issue with the timetable, where the northbound buses are scheduled to wait for 8-15 minutes in Foxrock, though this often doesn't matter, as the buses are late enough coming into Foxrock that they are still behind schedule even after getting to that stop.
    It does, however, form a problem southbound, as that 8-15 minute waiting point is just a couple stops after the terminus, so most buses just shoot ahead and become 10 minutes early, which obviously breaks RTPI and makes it a complete guessing game when the next bus will arrive to DCU.

    The E2 also seems to get randomised (at the very least southbound) due to many buses having a driver change at Parnell Square, and then you get 2-3 of them all leaving city centre at the same time, even though I haven't personally seen them bunch up before DCU.

    I feel like the bunching on the E spine is even worse than it used to be on the 145 and 46a, with large gaps followed by several E1s/E2s a couple minutes apart, if not directly one behind another.

    I have seen a handful L1/L2s showing up as heavily delayed, though I haven't seen many cancellations on those routes so far (though I haven't yet been on these two routes, my observations just come from waiting for other buses at stops also served by the L1/L2)
    The L12, operated by Dublin Bus, seems to be running well enough so far, the buses are fairly busy for such a short route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,096 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I've been reading some interesting details about GAI's new ODMA contract.

    The directors state that mobilisation has commenced "and we expect to go live in October 2025".

    They state that "this will see the company's turnover increase by approximately €50m, an increase of 175 vehicles, an additional 500 drivers and 5.5 million kms".

    The accounts state that the operation of the new contract "will increase our turnover and profit substantially".

    Could October 2025 be the rollout date for the D Spine if this was correct?

    Also where will Go-Ahead get those 500 additional drivers into their business to operate the new BusConnects routes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭trellheim


    TFI app still showing the No.11 route as from wadelai really gives you that warm "we care" feeling from the NTA … thats current as of a few minutes ago

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭ITV2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    With regards to the L1 destination display, they have removed the main Newtownmountkennedy southbound stop from the timetable, hence, maybe why it is showing Newcastle Hospital instead.

    There's no reason why the display can't read something like 'Newtownmountkennedy - Newcastle Hospital' or 'Newtownmountkennedy - Killadreenan', similar to the way the W6 reads 'Maynooth - Community College' or the N6 reads 'Kilbarrack - Naomh Barróg GAA'.

    But I can see how it could be confusing to someone not familiar with buses or the area - L1 to Newcastle Hospital and L2 to Newcastle, when Newcastle Hospital is not in Newcastle but in Newtownmountkennedy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,860 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I've seen people on the L3. It's a new route, it'll take people time to get used to it. The route could be improved though and I think it would be better as a loop as originally envisaged, though not the actual originally proposed loop. It could also align better with the L1 or L2 for connections to Bray, currently it's on a clock-face timetable and you'd be waiting 10 minutes for a connection.

    I drove through Kilcoole today, the route numbers on the bus stops seem to have been applied randomly. Some say X1/L2, others X2/L2, others just X1. I assume the X1 and X2 are supposed to serve the same stops and the L2 serves every stop? Amateur stuff as usual.

    I also saw the L2 going down Sea Road - where does it turn around? Must be an annoying diversion for anyone going towards Newcastle (the village, not the hospital).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The L2 turns in the same location in Kilcoole as the 84 did - the turning circle off Sea Road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Looks like the E1 timetables have been updated. No longer showing the large holding time at Foxrock northbound and ballymun southbound



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭VG31


    The missing northbound stops in Ballymun have also been added for the E1 and E2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They’re still not properly integrated though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Leesha


    Many thanks for this. You are far more informative than the people at Heuston!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Leesha


    oh really? It's due for renewal in April so are you saying I should just get my usual Train/Dublin bus and then it will be auto-upgraded?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Leesha


    Many thanks for this advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Paul_798


    Mayhem this morning at Dublin airport at the stop used by the 16/41 heading into town. A bus parked at the stop moves forward but no destination displayed. Doors open, people start to tap on. Then after a minute or so display goes up to say it's a 19. Most of the passengers then pile off.

    Thought that the 19s were supposed to use a different stop at the airport to hide them away. RTPI displays at the stop were only showing 16s and 41s. Also noticeable that 19 bus had no room for luggage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭jd


    Also there is a new stop 8368 for departures from Northwood. It is across the road from the arrival terminus/layby.

    I hear some car drivers aren't too happy at having to wait if the bus is picking up passengers. Perhaps the precise location of the 8368 stop can be revisited when some of the footpaths are reinstated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭VG31


    The 19 is supposed to use a different stop. The driver must have made a mistake.

    The 41 rarely has luggage racks and the 16 doesn't always have them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The 19 is meant to use the road closer to the airport but the very first stop as it pulls down that road, so the first stop from the crossing. Well out of the way of the 16 and 41 and 102.

    Teething problems like this always happen with new routes.

    It would help the drivers if they was a bus stop denoting where the 19 departs from. Well there wasn’t last week.



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