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⚠️ Storm Éowyn - Fri 24.01.25 (**Please read Mod Instruction in OP.**)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Gizit


    If you have a well it needs to be pumped into the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,929 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Athenry is not in the table because it has records only back to 2010 so it would be pointless to include for just 2 storms and the rest all N/A.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    I'd love to know how the ESB are prioritising what areas are restored on any given day. I was originally given last tuesday night for restoration; that was then pushed out to tonight. Checked this morning, it's now saturday night. I'm p***ed off at this stage. And yes, I realise there's thousands in the same boat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    from what I was told they are in need of lots of replacement parts from abroad, I guess they repair with what they have and return to other places when they have the parts.

    i was also told isolated homes will be the last to reconnect with some places not back until early march. I pray and hope nobody is waiting that long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,193 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    Cheers for the reply. Not sure it answers the questions as to how areas are picked to be restored. A fella I work with had next saturday as a provisional restoration date; he got the power back last monday evening. That's annoying, I have to admit. And, of course, there'll be no compensation for being without power for nearly 15% of this billing period. As for your isolated homes point, I totally get it. I live in a rural area, but I wouldn't say I'm isolated. There must be 70 or so customers within a mile or so radius of me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Is there such a thing as chainsaw madness? The neighbours are getting good use out of me but I'll stock up too.

    No broadband or mobile phone reception at home but we are just thankful to have ESB back. That said, it has gone twice for short periods since it came back. The grid must be handing together by a thread.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭jj880


    Was talking to someone this morning who lives above a local water source. Water needs pumped to him.

    Fair enough. So back boiler stoves need good mains pressure (edit: to keep attic water tank full) to use with no electric (edit: in a gravity system with hot water tank above stove).

    Could another option be to somehow refill your attic water tank? Maybe there are people still with no electric who could be doing this.

    Its hassle but I reckon Id do it to at least get heat + baths / showers.

    Post edited by jj880 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Mains water comes from reservoirs which are fed from water treatment plants. When you lose power to water treatment plants you lose water to reservoirs etc

    A while back some idiot proposed that households pay water charges which would provide Irish Water with a regular income which would enable Irish Water to borrow the vast sums needed to modernise & maintain the drinking water distribution system. Fortunately this idea went away so now we're much better off .…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    The storm itself was devastating in some areas. I don't think people are quite understanding how bad this was. The relationship between wind speed and kinetic energy is not just simple linear - it's more like exponential. So, when the windspeed goes up the amount of energy being applied to objects like trees, houses, power lines etc goes way up.

    Then there are various tipping points where materials break which happen quite suddenly and at particular levels of energy and then you've also issues like frequency of gusts. How much wind direction shifted around and so on during the storm.

    It's not just a case of 100km/h wind is half as bad as as 200km/h wind - it's more like the scale used for earthquakes.

    Also the other big factor is just Ireland's population in some areas is EXTREMELY scattered by any comparison. It's quite an outlier in this regard and that's almost worst case scenario for infrastructure. It's not one off, remote here and there - it's tons of low density housing all just that bit too far apart, making it need vastly more wiring and a lot of small scale installations.

    We have something like 6X the European average length of wiring between a house and the power network and that's an average, so urban areas (i.e. towns, cities and villages) are normal and rural / quasi rural stuff is dragging those averages way up.

    When you look at something like water infrastructure - it means needing lots more small plants, pumping stations, storage facilities etc that are dependent on electrical power to operate. Pumps stop, storage stops filling, water pressure starts to drop after a few days. There is a contingency in most of them in terms of gravity storage usually, but once that goes - you start running out.

    Likewise for broadband infrastructure - there huge amounts of lines and edge layer network serving relatively tiny numbers of scattered customers.

    Then after all of that, we are also not looking at like for like on restore times. Urban areas, and small towns and villages included will just get put back online faster as they're significant population clusters severe from medium voltage (20/38kV lines).

    Also in areas hit by similar kinds of wind in the US you can be talking anything from a few hours to several weeks for restoration. It's not that unusual to take this long in a storm that bad.

    I'm seeing comparisons to places like Germany which basically don't get Atlantic wind storms like this -and have way denser population spread i.e. it's actually clustered and not just flung at random in the countryside.

    Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, but I am finding Irish discussion are venturing into the "Oh we're a bunch of hopeless moronic incompetents" - We're not and the ESB certainly isn't.

    It's also not at all unusual for European power companies to assist each other in situations like this - ESB Networks has assisted in the UK and France etc in exactly the same way when they've been hit with this kind of thing.

    For the areas badly hit by this it's a full blown natural disaster - winds were beyond anything we're normally used to dealing or have designed for, and it needs to be recognised as such by commentary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Gizit


    Depends on your set up with a back boiler. We're in a bungalow so our hot water tank is pretty much on the same level as the stove. Need electric to pump the water round the system.

    We're rethinking our own situation and will look at larger battery packs. Gas heater and camping stove over the summer. Looking for stuff like that right now is just not worth it. 1 there are people out there still that need it now as they still haven't got ESB back and 2 some amount of profiteering going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    Back boilers very much depend on what the layout of the system is, not so much the mains pressure as they don't run on mains typically at all. They're usually fed by gravity storage in the attic and aren't normally pressurised.

    The ones that work on gravity only i.e. without a circulation pump are usually very old and often only supplied stored hot water for the 'hotpress'.

    The only boilers that will cause issues without mains pressure are combi systems plumbed directly to the mains - and while officially speaking, you're not supposed to do that in Ireland, quite a lot of them exist and work fine in normal circumstances - they're more likely in urban areas though.

    The main issue to be very aware of with back boilers is damaging the boiler itself by running it dry.

    Also if there's an old back boiler that's not plumbed up, that can be utterly lethal - there have been cases of those exploding where someone's idiotically blanked the boiler off and left it in place. It's more of an issue where someone decides to reactivate a long abandoned fireplace to keep warm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭jj880


    Im getting the picture now. Im indeed in a semi d with a gravity system. Hot water tank upstairs.

    I mentioned mains pressure more in relation to keeping the attic water tank full.

    Did anyone hear the director of ESB networks on the radio this morning talking about power restore estimates? If so what radio station was it. I heard part of it in the car and meant to look it up but forgot the radio station...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    My friend got reconnected last night. His brother spoke to his friend in the esb, turns out it was just a fuse not lines down, took a couple of minutes for the esb to fix it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭snowstreams


    Im near Athenry golf club & I got my power back yesterday at lunch & water came a few hours later.
    Everyone here is saying that this storm was the worst they've every seen, easily beating the stephens day storm.
    So Im wondering if the spread of the winds could have been greater in this storm, or where exactly was the track of the peak winds. Athenry weather station is very sheltered from the wind, but some of that shelter was blown down in Eowyn!
    The lack of communications was the toughest at first, then it was the cold, then later it was the lack of water!
    Im installing water butts & pumps and getting larger power banks for the future.
    (I keep intending to wire up the boiler to run off a 12v battery with an inverter too)
    Currently I just need to get a roofer because some of my fascia and soffit was ripped off in the wind & I need to do some chainsaw work in the garden too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭snowstreams


    I forgot to add that this video is from Athenry golf course after the storm.
    Hundreds of trees down. I wonder could any of the trees be saved? The course will feel very bare without the trees.

    Athenry Golf course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭jj880


    Found it:

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/morning-ireland/2025/0130/1493810-morning-ireland-thursday-30-january-2025/?s=09

    Interview with ESB Networks Director Nicholas Tarrant

    01:24:00 => 01:27:30 never faced anything like this before etc.
    01:27:30 => 01:30:25 why network is vulnerable to storms and what needs changed
    01:30:25 => 01:31:30 restoration estimates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Thanks, I know it’s a lot of effort making a table like that so fair play to you. Eowyn was most certainly in the red at Athenry Weather Station and would’ve added to those statistics re Red weather stations but I can totally understand not including it with it being a relatively new weather station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have a Stanley stove that heats the water. Not sure if that is classified as a back boiler. When water hits a certain temperature (70C I think) the pump on a pipe behind the stove comes on and it pushes the hot water into the radiators. When electricity was gone, I still lit the stove but obviously the pump never kicked in. I did vent the hot water from the upstairs tank by running the tap or filling bath. Can you tell me what the risk is if I do not vent the very hot water? What will get damaged exactly? The water tank in the hot press or the pipes themselves?

    @PixelCrafter

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Weather question from someone who is still off grid - are there any stats to tell is Eowyn brought tornadoes? Where I have most damage is in a line through the forest, across my field into my shed and out its windows, as if something swept through - there must be the better part of a 30 year old pine forest completely floored. I know gusts were extremely high - but could there have been mini tornadoes, some like the one that hit Leitrim in. December 2023 (I'm south sligo)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    I have a stove with a backboiler too - I just turn the tap on when I hear the pipes banging (and I have boiling water to fill hot water bottles and scald the hands of myself) yep venting often and then keeping the fire low if possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭jj880


    As has been said there are different systems so it can depend but imo I wouldn't be waiting until I hear the pipes banging as a general rule. I agree with keeping the fire low after it gets going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    Well; the mobile signal seems to be back up and running. Still no sign of the power coming back, though.

    Baby steps, I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Famous golf course architect Robert Trent Jones jnr said that on golf courses “Trees can function like an instrument. Removing them limits the range of music you can make”.

    Golf clubs across the island are left facing the music of the aftermath of an unprecedented storm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Orban6


    Somehow my concern for golf clubs is pretty low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Rang ESB Networks for update after hearing this man this am- My area will be restored on the 5th of Feb according to the guy I spoke too they are waiting for a part for a transformer that is coming from the UK and will take up to a week!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Its weird you say that. A number of people have said to me that the storm seemed to follow certain tracks whereby a load of trees were knocked in a row and yet the trees beside them were fine. And this is on flat ground with no channels/valleys to funnel the air.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Me too. Solid fuel cooker, stanley super 90. I lit mine the other day with a few turf and sticks. Kept the fire very low and after a few hours had a magical feeling shower. My wife later managed to have a bath. Worked for us for 3 days. Power is back with us now since, so back to normal with oil and heating, but we managed well and could cook on it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    Spot on. It would be lower than zero, in my eyes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Noticed those linear paths of damage here too, where literally every tree/fixture in the path was torn from its roots



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