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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I thought the G Spine was an almost complete disaster. Buses were being given more time to travel to a terminus out of service than working in service on the route. I don't know how those schedulers still have a job. The G Spine schedule required a complete re-work.

    I thought lessons would have been learned when it came to the E Spine, but it appears not. Too much buck-passing going on. The bus companies say it's nothing to do with them; they are just attempting to operate a service on behalf of the NTA with whatever tools they have been given. But when the arse falls out of the system like we have seen over the past few days, the NTA just blame 'operational issues'.

    We have seen reports that the destination signage on buses was not up to date for the E Spine. Buses were travelling around with blank and improvised displays. This is unforgiveable, seeing they were ready to launch with drivers in place way before Christmas 2024.

    So we just stumble along to the next phase of BusConnects. Pretty pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Every phase has had running time problems. They usually get solved a month or so later.

    The G Spine phase launch caused massive problems all across the city as the companies had nowhere near enough drivers to deliver the service, and at the same time the running times were far too tight which decimated the service on that spine.

    This time, the main issue (aside from the running times) is that GAI are just collapsing in general, and there hasn’t been an explanation yet from them other than “operational issues”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭trellheim


    on the old 46a stops on the NCR all of the "the 46a has been replaced by the 11" yellow placards have been mostly removed, after being up for less than a week. Some remain though, which leads me to wonder what consistent message they are trying to convey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Apologies if this has already been asked but it's hard to find info online.

    Are the X1 and X2 buses going Southside direction that have replaced the 84x not going up Kildare Street and turning onto Stephen's Green anymore?

    Was waiting on the X2 scheduled to leave Hawkins St at 16.15 yesterday but the 84x stop was gone and there was no sign of any X bus appearing on the live update sign that's there either. Not sure if it eventually showed up.

    Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No - they go via Townsend St, Merrion Square West and Pembroke Street now. The stops served per the TFI app are as below:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I think so, as disastrous as the G spine but a far greater population is affected by it. Also it's the biggest change for customers so far. The C, H and G weren't that big a change from previous routes

    This is the most significant spine implemented so far and so far a total dogs dinner from the start, no communication and a worsening of service for all affected customers other than those travelling after midnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭jayobray


    On the X2 timetable, there is actually no stop in Kilcoole now, and drivers are not stopping at any of the previous 84x stops in the village



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I see where you mean never knew there was a roundabout in there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Let's hope they hand over the operation to someone who can operate it properly. Be that Dublin Bus or someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    What difference does it make if a service is provided by a bus or a tram once it's reliable and efficient?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Leesha


    I will say this is partially my fault for not paying attention to the changes. With the 46a dominating all the news I paid little attention to the rest and didn't realise the 145 was also leaving until I arrived at Heuston station yesterday morning. Last week there were no notices or announcements on the 145 to say this was the last week of it. Getting to my office in the mornings is ok as I can get the 4 to Nassau street (I used to get off in Kildare street). Coming home in the evenings though is another matter. I asked the young lad from TFI outside Heuston yesterday how was the best way to get from Dawson street to Heuston now and he told me to walk 15 minutes to the quays and pick up the bus there. This is not a feasible option for me due to ill health . So the only option it seems for me to get back to Heuston is to get the green line as far as O'Connell street and hop on the red. This isn't ideal as I don't have the LUAS on my taxsaver ticket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The 4 picks up on Clare Street as well.

    But rather than walking, you can alternatively take a 39, 39a or 70 from Dawson St to Aston Quay (stop 328) and switch to any of the 4, C1, C2, C3, C4 or 52 from there.

    Aston Quay stops (from east to west)

    Stop 325 - Route 4

    Stop 7392 - Routes C1, C2, C3, C4 and 52



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Seems like Heuston has lost some connections which isn't ideal, we should have the 80 in place already before cutting the 145. Also wouldn't kill anyone to extend the H to Heuston, very poor connectivity between the H and other spines under current plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I’m not sure that the 80 is an improvement over the 26 in terms of serving the CBD - it will take a completely different route via Bridge St, Dame St. and George’s St avoiding O’Connell Bridge, Nassau St and Merrion Square - that really does nothing to replace the loss of the 145. It’s not an increase in frequency either.

    People in Chapelizod have already voiced concern about that change, as it reduces their connectivity with other spines and the city centre.

    The 80 is tied in with the F Spine changes when it will replace the 140 to Palmerston Park.

    Remember too that extending the H Spine to Heuston would require more drivers and more buses (neither of which currently exist).

    As a long term change to the plan it might be a good idea, but that would mean the B, C, D, G and H Spines on the Quays - that’s a hell of a lot of buses.

    I suspect some form of peak hour direct connection between Heuston and UCD may have to be found instead.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    In addition to the great info LXFlyer gave you, also worth noting that from June this year, your Taxsaver ticket will change to also cover Luas (plus DART/Commuter rail).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭john boye


    Walking down Hawkins street last night evening and noticed a new style bus stops has been installed with the X1 and X2 timetables and details on it. Which would be really great if the older stop wasn't still there right beside it with the 84X timetables in situ!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Thanks LX.

    Seems like a strange decision, loads of people get on the X at Kildare Street, Stephen's Green and Leeson Street. This and the X2 going up through Cherrywood too has only made the commute longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Extend it to Heuston and make it a 24h service. The H spine is such an outlier terminating just shy of the city centre rather than going through it, plus not being 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The Abbey St terminus isn’t really as far as maybe people think.

    As someone who has frequently used it, it’s a 5 mins walk max to the other Spines at D’Olier St and Aston Quay and 2 mins to those on the river side of Eden Quay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    My point is that the service is quite limited because of where it terminates. The G serves OCS and Thomas Street equally well whereas the H serves anywhere south of the river or west of Jervis Street quite poorly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    The idea at the start was to only have the major spines running through College Green (Spines A, E and F) while all other routes (radials, peaks, expresses) would use different routes. This would have also eliminated the turns at O’Connell Bridge. It was the “connect” in “BusConnects”. However, they’ve now sent the 19 southbound through College Green, so there could be more exceptions. It would have been better to send the 19 down Gardiner Street to Merrion Square in my opinion, as is the plan with the other radials.

    The X2 loop of Cherrywood is a bit ridiculous in its current form, especially for an ‘express’ route. The Charlesland loop too. Going to Greystones, it’s quicker to get the train. Going to Kilcoole or Newcastle, it’s quicker to get the 133 to Kilpedder or Newtown and walk, as unsafe as it is on a winter morning/night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I get that, but the reservation that I’d have, as I pointed out above, is there’s only so many buses that the Quays can take.

    They’re already going to gain the D Spine buses and adding the H Spine as well might just be too much even though the connection to Heuston would be attractive.

    Remember too that both LUAS lines are almost adjacent to the H Spine terminus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I suspect that the 19 could still route via Gardiner Street once the A Spine is introduced and those services re-routed via St. Stephen’s Green?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Very very poor. If their putting up new timetables it shouldn't be too hard to remove the old ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,816 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    If you work in the area of Dawson St./Kildare St. and want to get back to Heuston Station, my advice would be to get an E1 or E2 from Dawson St. to Westmoreland St., then walk around the corner to Aston Quay where you can pick up the No. 4 at stop 325. If you can walk a little further, you can pick up any of the the Cx buses at stop 7392. TFI Live currently showing five of them arriving in the next 10 minutes.

    As you pointed out, the No. 4 from Heuston Station stops in Nassau St. and, for someone heading to the N11 who used to get the 145, all they have to do now is walk (33m) back to stop 406 and pick up the E1 or E2. The problem on the reverse journey is that the No. 4 heading to Heuston does not overlap the E1/E2 routes anywhere as it goes anti-clockwise around TCD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭BusGuy


    Horrible experience on the S4 today. Got off the Luas at Milltown, then I checked the TFI Live app at around 5pm, and it showed me 40 mins. How and who would do this, but it ended up to be a fast driver after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Agree, the radials need to cross the city but that doesn't mean OCS, the powers that be are just completely obsessed with O'Connell Bridge, there are so many bridges with nobus service crossing them



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    On the other hand having all buses go through the same axis makes it easier to transfer between buses. Frankly OCS is where lots of people want to go, easy access to Henry Street, down to Temple Bar, Trinity, easy access to Grafton Street. It is hard for any other bridge to beat it for destinations.

    The idea of moving existing routes away from OCB was extremely unpopular with the public through the BusConnects feedback from what I've seen.

    That isn't to say that other bridges shouldn't have a feeder service. But OCS to Trinity makes sense as the core North - South Corridor as the quays do for the East - West one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,970 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The S4 was very bad during the morning rush hour today as well. One person on Reddit was saying tonight that out of the 9 buses that were meant to run on the S4 between 7am & 8:30am this morning while waiting at Milltown Luas stop. 5 of them were cancelled.

    Also did you see any big timekeeping issues occurring with the 26 at Liffey Valley SC today?

    Another poster on Reddit was saying that the 26 was running with huge delays in it's timetable.



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