Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

You're literally the only one I've seen who has said he should be fired.

Congratulations, you're the very first.

Nope. That is not saying he should be sacked.

Saying that he will end up sacked if he can't turn things around is not the same as saying he should be sacked.

If I tell a guy that he will fall off a cliff if he keeps walking forward, it doesn't mean I want him to fall off a cliff.

Its nonsense that people keep trotting out this guff, nobody has called for Amorim to be sacked, absolutely nobody.

Saying someone is at risk for their job of they can't improve thing, for various reasons, is not the same as saying he should be binned off. Which is what you claim has been said.

Maybe this can be attributed to them being really poor players, personally I can accept whatever position he can get these misfits to in the table, at this stage we've tried every type of manager and they've all ended up bowing to the levels of the players they bought or inherited. I'd be more disappointed now if Amorin decided to do the same.

But the level of the players was 8th or higher. Thats where much maligned managers like Ten Hag or Solskjaer had them.

We aren't at the level of the players, we are well below that level.

Regardless, I don't think those are the only two options, it doesn't have to be bow down to the players or perform this badly. It should be very possible to take the hard line, be fully in charge, kick some players asses and yet also bring some improvements to the performances.

J Lingz would really suit one of the no.10 positions...

Whitwell reporting that Lecce will accept less than the €40m (£33m) they want for Dorgu and that Alvaro Fernandez wants to stay at Benfica.

Nah, send this kid back to Arsenal.

Hojlund, HOJLUND, made a fool of him in pre-season.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E1_Kr4HahF4

Am I right in saying that INEOS own a Swiss club and a French club since 2019 and neither have won anything?

Doesn't bode well.

Yeah, no. They can stay in America.

I just get the feeling that INEOS are not going to be the saviours they think they'll be. In fact, on the first few months, I get the feeling they don't know how to run a football club at all. Given the state the club was already in, it would seriously worry you that it's a job-for-the-boys outfit and things could get a lot worse.

"Jobs for the boys"

No prior relationship with Berrada as far as I am aware.
No prior relationship with Wilcox as far as I am aware.
No prior relationship with Amorim as far as I am aware.
No prior relationship with Vivel as far as I am aware.

There was with Ashworth, and he has been sacked - I assume because they didn't feel he was doing well enough.

So jobs for the boys seems a utterly unfitting accusation.

TbF the chief financial officer is/was an INEOS guy.

I've no idea if they will eventually turn things around at United - but i think it is a bizzare stance to take that they don't know what they are doing. What 'experienced' football club owners are you looking to have come in for United? They have hired, as far as I can tell, football people to do football jobs - which seems like the correct course of action.

I've been critical of them, I think some of the decisions they have made on football matters have been poor and set us back. I think some of the off-field decisions they have made have been poor as well. But given the state the club was in prior to them coming in (as you point to youself) I don't think any of us can argue the vast majority of financial decisions were needed. Witht eh pn the pitch stuff… it happens. Clubs make bad calls all the time. The most succesful clubs do it. Just eh most successful clubs are generally in a positioin that one or two bad calls don't destroy them. United don't have that luxury at the moment.

They have made a big, huge, call with Amorim. I believe it is because Wilcox and Berrada want to go towards a 343 style as the general style of the club for the next decade. Right now it is not looking a good call (imo) because we are missing key components - and it is on INEOS to solve that imo. That is the one area I would be very critical of them, and its a big one.

Didn't that team go from being by far the biggest funded and most scientific outfit, to being one of many similar teams as money poored into the other teams? Vismo and UAE pumping huge money in.

That said, they also don't have an elite GC talent and the move to push piddcock last time out (and the build up) was wrong.

How active are Ineos in the processes at the Cycling team? Genuinely. I know Brailsford was the head guy until the United takeover. But is Ratcliffe actively involved in decision making and planning?

Like if United make poor signings I will blame Berrada, Wilcox and Vivel rather than Ratcliffe - but if Berrada, Wilcox, Vivel keep make the wrong calls then I will be critical of Ratcliffe (and INEOS Sports) for not holding people to account and getting the right people in.

I know they have made a bunch of changes to the Cycling team structure at the backend of last season, so will be interesting to see how it pans out. Pidcock gone so they have moved on from him but (and I am not a big cycling guy) I don't recognise any of their riders as a TfF contender.

Everyone should listen to Andy Mitten on the most recent Talk of the Devils pod. He's as close to the situation as anyone can be without being employed by the club and he says INEOS inherited an absolute mess. He said they can't say it but he can. Overstaffed, over budget and only two people/groups showed interest in buying into the club and only one of those groups was able to prove that they actually had money and that was INEOS. The club couldn't and can't continue to lose 80m or 90m per season! Under the Glazers we were heading for bankruptcy. Just let that sink in. In just about a year we have hired a new football management team, new head coach, we are on the verge of announcing plans for a much needed new stadium. Yes they havnt gotten everything right but any comparisons to the Glazers is fcuking laughable and shows you have no clue what's going on at the club.

Unfortunately very few wanted to buy the club due to the Glazers A) Huge asking price, B) Massive debt, C) Facilities needing expensive upgrades, hence why it was a Billionaire boyhood fan and a waffling Sheikh.