Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

I simply think this is a valid view point:

1. Amorim wa hired to implement 343 as the style going forward
2. Amorim was brought in in November so that he could assess teh players and understand what is needed to implement 343 to the high level required.
3. After 2.5 months he may have already concluded that
   1. Hojlund can't work as his striker as needed.
   2. Zirkzee can't work as his striker as needed.
   3. Rashford is persona non grata for whatever reasons
   4. Antony isn't good enough
   5. Casemiro isn't good enough
   6. Eriksen can't play in the deeper two.
   7. Mazraoui isn't a good attacking wing back
   8. Shaw can't be relied upon
   9. Mount can't be relied upon
4. With that in mind he may already know key signings that are needed to make the formation work.
5. In the interim period between having assessed the squad as asked to do, providing his analaysis as asked to do, agreeing the player profiles needed as asked to - and actually being able to do anthing on the recruitment side to make the changes needed; that there is at least a valid argument to be had that if a large% of his squad don't suit what is being asked or are playing crap to adapt the plan.

I've zero issue with people thinking he should stick resolutely to his view, I just think the argument to do differently has more validity to it than the majority on here are willing to concede.

Its not 'I get why you could argue to adapt in the short term but I prefer we don't; its 'I can't understand why anyone would think there is any merit to adapting in the short term, there should be no questioning of this'

I genuinely can’t see how anyone would expect our manager to change from the style that has brought him all of his success so far in his career…(the style of play that our owners liked so much that they gave him the job) he has explained himself on numerous occasions as to why he won’t do this.

I agree with his explanation on this point and some of the above posters have also made some excellent points on the subject. I have huge faith in Amorim and as I said I’m happy to trust his judgment. That doesn’t mean if you have an alternative view on this that I think you’re stupid and I’ll say it again you’re choosing to misinterpret what I was trying to say.

Agreed.

I think the failures are down to a general lack of long term vision; which I am hoping is not the case now. It wasn't just the manager adapting; it was a failure to sign the players they needed to go in the direction they want. Which forced them to maintain the adapted nature.

We need to sign a number of players to help Amorim. I'm desperate for us to sign a LWB and 10 this window so that Amorim can have at least some of the tools he needs in terms of profiles in key areas. But if we sign neither I just don't think persisting with 343 when the two WBs are Dalot and Mazraoui is going to help - we are so far away from what we would want to be I don't know if the learnings we take from these terrible performanes is having a long term positive impact.

like I want us to commit to 343. I want the club to back the manager and I want us to have no doubts on this path.

But we are coming to the end of January and we have not signed a single player to help Amorim employ his style. I'm angry the club is hanging him out to dry by asking him to play a way (his way) and then not helping him address teh obvious, glaring and highly impactful missing pieces. ANd with those obvious issues, the counter argument has validity.

Posters saying pre Amorin that we'd no distinct style of play, tail wagging the dog etc. We've a manager here who's trying to implement a style of play and still the criticism comes. I'm happy to see a manager who's at least trying to take the power away from the players. Will it prove successful ? Who knows but I'm here for him trying

You're in danger of becoming myopic in Garnacho now imo. He played well last night, was looking for the pass first on most possessions. Amorim complimented his work on adapting to the system after the game.

Ineos providing an interest free, payment free loan that sits as a a debt til they take over and is then converted to equity (and paid in full if someone else buys the club) was what I had hoped they would do alright.

ANd I don't tunderstand how we can be looking at a stadium project without something like that.

Losing 100m a season on average with half of that being just interest payments on the debt is surely too much when it comes to the finances needed for a stadium build.

A well reason and well written response. Thank you.

I would point our that finishing 7th and/or a cup would result in European football next season and much hihger revenues (and therefor potential transfer spend) as a result - missing out on those things will have big consequences for the rebuild Amorim will want. So while we could say the players we have might be a bit better off going into next season, our ability to replace the ones we want to replace will have been significantly impacted.

But for the here and now, when your only other option is Dalot, I would just play him. Dalot on the left is just bad news in so many respects, he is smack in the middle of so many defensive mess ups, and he is pointless in attack on the left.

So about £25 million.

My view was the ineos could essentially loan united the debt amount to pay off the debt.

The debt would have the same top level value, but now it would be owed to Ineos, and in my ideal world ineos would not be taking any payments against it. So the cash flow is improved but top line debt is the same. So in this case the enterprise value of the club isn't impacted but the impact of the payments is removed.

If ineos take over its at that point they convert to equity.

If for some reason the club was sold to someone else then I would expect the ineos debt to have a change of ownership clause where it needs to be paid in full and possibly with some penalty amount.

I was really hopeful ineos would do something like that. It's one of the disappointments I have in their ownership. Maybe they'd have done more if the got all the glazers out as they wanted to. But that's not where we are and the debt remains a huge weight on the club.