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2024 - Dublin STILL ranked as second worst city in the Europe for traveling by car

  • 22-01-2025 04:42PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭


    So I posted this thread around this time last year:
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058331379/dublin-ranked-as-second-worst-city-in-the-world-for-traveling-by-car

    Guess what, nothing has improved… infact things have gotten worse and we've closed the gap on London (as I predicted)

    https://www.tomtom.com/traffic-index/ranking

    There have been a few more cities added this year (specifically in india and south america), so our global ranking has gone down to 10th

    I dont understand why London 37 mins in 2023 and is 33 mins in 2024 yet it sayd +40 secs (Perhaps its some other number/indicator)

    I defo think things are getting worse, I had to drive from Swords to Rahey this morning…. It took over 50 mins, and thats not even going into the city.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Forgot the Screenshot:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Too many people rely on travelling by car instead of a public transport, and that is the reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    People have traditionally voted for the car centric and 3-4 bedroom semi d for all policies of political parties.

    And here we are…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Fixing car traffic in a city doesn't make sense. Work on improving public transport across the city and across multiple modes. If that improves car traffic as a side effect - cool. But public transport should be the focus of any improvement on any big city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,763 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    about 1.27 million people living in in the greater Dublin metropolitan area.

    Public transport in the city isn’t adequate for a city of this size with a population of this size. Hasn’t been for a long time.

    Should have had a metro 15-20 years ago.

    Should have had more Luas lines.

    Look at the billions / trillions of our taxpayers cash spent on various international and domestic ‘humanitarian’ projects over the last 10 years…..yet we can’t get a capital city and it’s citizens efficiently moving ? Zero enthusiasm shown, zero zest or earnestness or get up and go… well… “ all these other problems, we have obligations blahh blahhh“…

    If you deprioritise the wellbeing of citizens this is what happens…gridlock. Because often there is no alternative or the alternative is so incomprehensibly inconvenient people don’t want to use it.

    Bus disconnects is another fûcking shambles of an effort. Our direct area has been gutted of bus options. That’s another example of why so many cars and gridlock.

    Dublin is just the worst city I’ve been to for travelling/navigating full stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The Greater Dublin population is 2.2 million, not 1.27 million. Even more reason we are way overdue a Metro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    basically nothings changed why would anyone be surprised it hasn't improved.

    had to go through dublin a few times recently, havent been for years, I usually just go to the airport or ferry. it was fairly horrendous.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Too many people have poor public transport options and still no sign of the metro.

    That is the reason for your reason.

    Car ownership is at record levels and will continue to increase, meanwhile, the govt will tinker with bus timetables.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    If you switch it to Metro Area, Dublin drops to number 36. So I'm wondering what they define the city as.

    But looking at cities, it is noticeable that Amsterdam ranks as number 64.

    Turns out you improve traffic congestion by building great cycling and public transport infrastructure. If you can encourage those willing and able out of cars and onto bikes/pt, then you reduce congestion and free up more space for those who have to drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,770 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Bus near me hasn't changed route or added any stops etc since it started in the mid 90s. Its the exact same.

    I've long since given up. We're an international embarrassment regarding public transport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Public transport yes, cycling I'm not so sure.

    Amsterdam and Copenhagen have great cycling facilities, they also have very very wide roads going through the centres of the cities or have completely banned cars altogether in certain areas (I've been to Copenhagen). There is a finite amount of cars, relative to the population of an area.

    Sure those cities are nice places to visit if you're in your 20's, but if you compare the economic output of those cities to Dublin they don't stack up well all considering our GDP is higher with far less people.

    Dublin is after all a place of business, if I didn't have a job in the city centre, I would litterally never go there.

    I only discovered this week the the implementation of the Luas made Metro(s) incredibly more complicated and expensive due to there being an alignment on top of where they had planned to do cut and cover.

    There's no joined up thinking and I think that's the core problem

    *I get GDP is only an "ok" indictor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,610 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Why don't people cycle or walk more. People driving for journeys less then 2km. Why can't they walk. For longer journeys say up to 10km why don't they cycle if they don't fancy taking public transport. There are options to driving. It's pure laziness as far as I can see. Unless you need the car to transport large items.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭csirl


    Sounds like Norman Tebbit from the 80s.........get on your bike!

    The truth is we have rubbish public transport. Put in half a dozen metro lines and car usage will nose dive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    It's getting worse by design. DCC don't want people driving into the city and are making policy decisions aimed at making it as unpleasant as possible for people to do so, so I'm not really sure why this surprises you?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Walking, I agree, but for cycling I do think there is a clear reason, the roads are too dangerous!

    I believe lots of people would love to cycle in Dublin, it is the fastest way to get around the city by far. But mixing with cars is just so dangerous here and the cycling infrastructure is either non existent or mostly extremely poor.

    When the new cycle route between Clontarf and the City opened, we can see massive numbers using it (in winter too!), showing their is big demand when there is safe cycling infrastructure that actually separates you from the cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I believe we are at or close to the limit in terms of people cycling or willing to cycle.

    I tried the cycling thing a few years ago, it's grand on a nice day. But on not nice day: you're cycling up hill, wind blowing against you and it's lashing rain…. it's very unplesant, and not what I want after work.

    I think its the same problem the government has with EV's. There was an expectation that most new car sales by 2030 would be EV's. It's clear now, with 5 years to go that we're no where close to that.

    Cycling and EV ownership are at saturation. The canal cordon report show that cycling has been stagnant for 10 years

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/NTA-Canal-Cordon-Report-2023.pdf

    Cycling is a nice idea, but despite the many cycle lanes and facilities built in the last 10 years its had very little effect.

    Notice as well Motorcycles usage in Dublin city halved in 2019 and never recovered (Motorcycle theft is a major issue in the city)

    Buses are also stagnant at aprox 1600 since 2006.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The simple reality is that Dublin is not Amsterdam, and we are not Dutch - no matter how much some may wish we were.

    We don't have the necessary culture, the infrastructure or the political (and more importantly societal) will to change that beyond tinkering at the edges and grandstanding.

    Most Irish people don't want to live in apartments in the city above/among dirty streets, retail outlets and junkies. They don't want to be reliant on buses and multiple changes and huge amounts of lost time to go anywhere that isn't a simple A-B trip on a main route.

    Nor do they want to walk anymore than a few hundred metres as evidenced by the number and closeness of bus stops.

    Despite arguments to the contrary by enthusiasts, I'd wager very few are actually cycling to work because they enjoy it - rather it's the least worst option for their particular commute. Who wants to be dealing with rain, wind, uneven or poorly surfaced roads (especially shared bus lanes), hills, having to change and shower at work.

    As I type this I can hear the rain and wind lashing against the window here in the Midlands. Who really wants to go out on a bike or on foot in that?

    Irish people want their semi-D in the suburbs, their 2 car spaces and freedom to get around when and how they choose. Car ownership is also essential outside Dublin because of even less public transport and greater distances generally involved, but even within the city it's still frequently - despite the traffic - the best option to get around, especially if you've been called back to the office having voluntarily or otherwise had to move a county or two away as a result of the housing crisis.

    Park and ride? Not something we really do beyond a few train stations and the Red Cow interchange, but even that leads to slow and overcrowded trains and trams, and the additional costs of parking and tickets on top of the fuel, tax and insurance that's still needed to get there in the first place.

    Nope, we're a car-centric country for many perfectly valid reasons (even in 2025). We could have actually changed that post Covid with the rise of WFH, but thanks to commercial landlords, complaining coffee shop owners, and narrow-minded managers, that is slowly being eroded with the (literal) drive back to the office desk.

    Time to face that reality and plan accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Well what a surprise, as good as free motor tax, no proper transport infrastructure... following the American sprawl model for decades... there needs to a massive ramp up in infrastructure spend. Also a congestion charge to enter the canals and this needs to ring fenced for transport spend in Dublin...

    The amount of trips taken by car, out of pure laziness, you'd be surprised how much less traffic would be in central Dublin, if those living there, actually had to pay to bring there car that one or two km inside and out of the canal...

    Now with electric car, if you can charge at home at off peak hours, thr fuel is as good as free, motor tax, e120... but yeah, it's all about " sustainability " lol...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Public transport, EV or cycling is nothing like as bad as the media (and people who won't try it) constantly complain about it. Media especially constantly publish negative and bias articles.

    For example on a wet day traffic will be worse but cycling will more or less unaffected by traffic.

    Public transport is overcrowded but we've more more options than we had a few decades ago. If you don't you need to move to somewhere with better links, or go multi modal.

    Driving around Dublin is definitely getting worse. Even off peak. There are simply more people and more cars. I don't use the bus but I don't begrudge more space for bus lanes. When we had no bus lanes traffic was also brutal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,273 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I drive into city centre dublin the odd time and it's grand, not during rush hours though to be fair.

    I saw these findings RE congestion on social media and pretty much every poster blames cycle lanes for the congestion. Not the amount of cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    So the thousands of people sitting in their cars in traffic blame cycle lanes for traffic and not the actual traffic itself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    It has actually improved dramatically, off peak the streets are empty. Great for people that need to get around in vans & cars with equipment for work.

    Yeah! We've a neighbour from Donegal that drives the kids to school in her Audi Q7. It's about 600 metres and she constantly bitches about the traffic, cyclists, traffic lights and cyclists!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    The usual suspects complaining about the “terrible traffic” while theorizing the solution is more traffic yet the cause of all this traffic is nothing to do with the volume of traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What's the cause of all this traffic then...

    Dublin was bad before any recent charges and cars had 100% priority. From early 2020 before lockdown

    "...Ranked 17th globally, Dublin also slotted in as sixth worst city for congestion in Europe, after Moscow, Istanbul, Kyiv, Bucharest and St. Petersburg – and the only western European city with a population of more than 800,000 people in the “top 10”...."

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dublin-ranked-17th-worst-globally-for-traffic-congestion/



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    You completely missed the point, YOU are the traffic congestion!

    You and everyone else sitting in your car are the cause of the traffic congestion.

    1 million cars were added to the roads in Ireland in the past 20 years alone. This is the cause of the traffic congestion. It is simply mathematically impossible to fit so many cars on a road and so many people wanting to drive into our cities. They simply won't fit.

    The population of Dublin is projected to grow by another 500,000 people over the next 30 years. Imagine if they all buy a car too and try to drive into the city how much worse it is going to get!

    It really is a very simple to understand problem, there really is no mystery here. Our population is increasing quickly, we are a rich country so almost everyone can afford to buy a car now, so FAR more cars, but there simply isn't the road space to handle all these new cars and motorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    So you reckon the train I get to work is causing congestion? How so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,763 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    look at our climate. Look at rainfall… on average we see rain roughly 151 days a year along the east and southeast coasts, to about roughly 225 days a year in parts of the west…..

    Also lots of people people working far away from home with the housing situation. Choose..

    A : walking 50 meters from your desk to your car and home in 20-30 minutes let’s say..

    B : walking say 200 meters to the nearest bus stop, waiting, taking the bus, which orbits and stops, repeatedly, get off, walk and arrive, maybe an hour or more since you left your desk. Lessens your quality time at home.
    Want people to stop using cars, provide an efficient, comfortable, interconnected alternative. But our politicians haven’t done that. They have failed. Thats why Eamonn Ryan swans off into the sunset as the most justifiably despised, ineffective and incompetent minister we’ve probably ever witnessed and experienced in the history of the state. Been shocking.

    Setting ambitions for our climate is fair and right. But if you are employed in a job where the portfolio is to help and facilitate citizens get from A→B, comfortably, safely and efficiently and you actually do sweet fûck all to help achieve it.

    People travel by car because often they just need to. They have families and deadlines at home, taking kids to training, doing whatever, maybe relieving another parent to go to work gym, or a class…. time is a factor.

    Look, Of all the European cities I spent time in, for public transport, Dublin is the worst. Look at Lisbon, Copenhagen…two examples…properly integrated, modern, efficient, effective, reliable public transport systems…. Buses, multiple metro and tram lines in both, as well as suburban rail. And us………🤦🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    C: Cycle to work. If your commute by car is 20 Minutes, i assume that is in a rural location with no traffic? SO cycling to work will take longer, but it exercise twice a day. Got kids? Kids love cycling and if they are too young to cycle, there's always the option of a electric cargo bike?

    Look people travel by car because in a lot of cases they lack imagination and can't envisage changing a habit of a lifetime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Dublin metro will be capable of carrying 20,000 passengers per hour in EACH direction, but no, we'd be better off building a motorway from Limerick to Cork for 3,000 cars a day that has a capacity of 57,000 vehicles a day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    As someone who has to drive to limerick from Cork once a month (thankfully), a motorway is needed. But public transport is also needed. And improve rail links around the country.

    It annoys me when we always end up in a a versus B scenario. We are a wealthy country with obscene (but temporary) corporate tax receipts. We should be throwing that money at capital projects like this.



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