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N8/N25/N40 - Dunkettle Interchange [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    The feeds on https://www.dunkettletraffic.ie/ are in real-time only. AFAIK, they can't be saved or replayed, I would expect the captured video can be replayed by those in officialdom with access to the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭cork_south


    I have 4 colleagues who travel southbound from the M8 to get to the tunnel in the mornings.

    To avoid the relatively small tailbacks from M8 southbound to tunnel in the right hand lane all 4 take the N25 slip road via the left lane, go over the dumbbell and back up to the top of the queue to the tunnel merging from Little Island.

    This of course adds further queuing time to those commuting from the N25 who already have by far the most congested commute via the tunnel.

    Poor design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I didn't realise this was happening. It seems to me that they're making a mostly pointless detour, I struggle to see how it could be faster for them, because the N25 side is so bad.

    Another thing I've seen a lot of is N25 traffic arriving at the south of the dumbell, then rejoin the N25, in an effort to skip the queues below. Both moves are are causing that dumbell to fail to function on a regular basis.

    This morning for the first time I saw the Little Island traffic block the Dublin-Cork traffic too. This was my "worst case scenario" I kept harping on about a few years ago. The M8-N25 railway overbridge was stopped, basically.

    All I can say is the same as before, that we need a new route into the North-East of the city from the M8. We need more people out of cars too, but that goes without saying.

    I don't think any more money should be spent on cars through Dunkettle though at this stage. By all means, an N40 North or a better down-river crossing towards Ringaskiddy, but no more cars through Dunkettle, it's pointless while the tunnel is at capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭cork_south


    It is much much faster for them because they can travel down to the end of the slip of the dumbell and merge, which means they only start to queue on the merge just before the tunnel.

    Meanwhile the poor souls from N25 are queuing up for miles back onto the N25.

    Also by doing this they have priority on both roundabouts of the dumbell meaning there's a huge tailback from the Glouthaune join.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    The speed limit on Link K is 60km/h and from the end of Link K onwards through the tunnel is 80km/h, speeds which are easily within the capability of any car using the route.

    However, it appears that not many drivers are capable of driving any faster than 30-40km/h through the curve at the end of link K and 50-60km/h through the tunnel.

    Such slower-than-necessary progress aggravates the length of the queues during peak time traffic.

    When I took my driving test one of the fail reasons was 'failing to make reasonable progress', perhaps like not being required to demonstrate an ability to reverse around a corner, failing to maintain reasonable progress has also been dropped from the test.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    When I took my driving test one of the fail reasons was 'failing to make reasonable progress', perhaps like not being required to demonstrate an ability to reverse around a corner, failing to maintain reasonable progress has also been dropped from the test.

    Both are still part of the driving test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Complete and utter chaos this morning 😞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    On laptop windows 10, use "Windows +alt+R" to record your whole screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Broken down car in the left lane of the tunnel at 7am, followed by a pile up on the weaving section between J10 Mahon and J9 Ringaskiddy.

    Oddly enough this weaving section seems to be causing more problems recently. Usually its the J9 merge that causes hell, but more and more crashes now on that weaving section. People just don't look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yeah, I don't get why people slow down so much here. Its weird.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    There's surely a good bit of "tweaking" that can be done to the existing roads , to improve flow into and through the tunnel , coming from the n25 slip ,

    I don't mean everyone driving like maniacs , but surely ending the little island merge lane a long way back from the tunnel, and possibly moving the lane of traffic to the right to allow a better sight line into the tunnel , and hopefully better flow into the tunnel ,

    Also a few small bollards or a large rumble strip on the median line just before the tunnel , but just after the " emergency/ overheight" lane , just to deter lane changing ,

    Possibly more overhead LED "80 kph "signs in the tunnel itself , just to encourage traffic in the tunnel to speed up a little ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Yep, honestly sick of the standard of driving in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    I was being tong-in-cheek about the maintaining reasonable progress bit, but reversing around a corner is definitely gone for a good few years, on health and safety grounds I believe 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Reversing around a corner is still part of the driving test - family member passed their test a few weeks ago. UK has done away with it some time ago though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Yes ,I know it's very tongue in cheek , doesn't mean it's wrong though

    https://youtube.com/shorts/CycZy2WxEu4?si=Oyz9OLtaqoJl8k5z

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I've had it quoted to me more than once in the last few weeks, with no reference to the show: "it lasted for two years"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I've seen loads of shorts and sketches from the show on line , good comedy

    But the Jevons paradox is real , along the lines of "if you build it they will come "

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭cantalach




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭Markcheese




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Definitely back to normal-service-resumed this week.

    Tuesday: 1x crash at Ringaskiddy backing things up well past Dunkettle in the AM. 1x crash at Mahon in the PM blocking things up eastbound. And another car broke down in the slip lane.

    Thursday: 10 cars involved in 3 seperate crashes blocking up the N40 westbound right to the N25 on Harpers Island. Awful driving yet again causing this.

    The only short term thinking I can see is a 60kmh speed limit through the Ringaskiddy junction on the N40, backed up by fixed speed cameras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Well, it doesn’t need to be 60 off-peak so a variable speed limit would suffice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Baldilocks


    Garda presence might help…… - they seem to be more rare than sabre tooth tigers atm!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Or average speed cameras from J3 N25 westbound, covering the entire south link and N8 in as far silver springs. Do the same in reverse.

    Can the area noted above have a reduced speed limit of let's say 80 or 60? Forcing drivers to maintain a slow steady speed is essential in maintaining traffic flow. Reducing to 60 between J3 N25 to J1 N40 would add 9 minutes to the journey. Its hardly the end of the world. Split the time difference if reduced 80... probably not an option on approach to the tunnel, reducing to 60 for the full 22km trip keeps it consistent and would enable the installation of average speed cameras the full length instead of sections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I hope you stay exiled with that N25 sugggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I suppose if you're used to speeding then it'll be grating having to set cruise control and stick to the speed limit. I do about a 1000km a week, I see lads (and yes they are men) flaking past me all the time in their Audi's and BMW's on the M8 and M7. Doing it on the motorway is one thing but doing it on national roads and in urban settings is so much more dangerous.

    Slow and steady would resolve a lot of congestion issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Your last line is 100% true. It’s the reason why variable speed limits improve traffic flow on busy roads.

    On multi-lane roads, weaving and braking by drivers creates delays behind them. If you've got 5% of drivers trying to do 100 km/h on a road where traffic only permits 80 km/h, then they will cause enough disruption to lower that average traffic speed further. In extreme cases, one ill-judged lane change can cause a “braking cascade” that stops the flow of traffic in that lane completely.

    On multi-lane roads, people treat the number on a speed-limit sign as a target, so if you lower that speed to a point where traffic will flow smoothly, and enforce that lower limit, the road carries more vehicles, and everyone makes progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    A good example of average speed cameras in action on a multi-lane road is the M6 north of Birmingham. The three lanes have, or at least had the last time I was on it, a maximum speed limit of 50 or 60mph while it was being upgraded.

    On the 7 or 8 occasions I have driven the road All three lanes continued to flow at a steady pace for about 50 miles notwithstanding the fact the motorway was full of vehicles ...and not a brake light seen for the duration. Incredible when you consider the region has a population in or around 10 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Sounds like Wednesday last was great fun. Cynthia Ní Murchú now calling for traffic enforcement cameras to try and improve driver behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I agree 100%. Variable Speed Limits on the N40 and enforcement cameras to knock the bad driving out of people. All of the recent accidents are people merging aggressively or stupidly, tailgating aggressively, or just not caring how back their driving is.



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