Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Maybe the Yahoo shouldn't brandish maps of the Middle East that he feels entitled to. Maybe Ben Weird and Snot Rich shouldn't talk about Greater Israel. Maybe they should all just go home to Europe and the US and leave the failed project to the Arabs.

What are you on about?

They were kept on short rations for two decades, at least, before this genocide. Here's a reference from 2006:

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said.

I think it might have been another lesson they learnt from the Nazis.

The Hunger Plan (German: der Hungerplan, der Backe-Plan) was a partially implemented plan developed by Nazi bureaucrats during World War II to seize food from the Soviet Union and give it to German soldiers and civilians. The plan entailed the genocide by starvation of millions of Soviet citizens following Operation Barbarossa,

I am sorry, am I not clear enough?

Posts and theories about Israel wanting to conquer vast tracts of land from Egypt up to and including the Suez Canal deserve ridicule, contempt and mockery because they cannot be taken seriously in any way shape or form, as its far removed from reality.

Those pushing those talking points are seriously deranged by their hatred of Israel and/or the Jews and they too should not be taken seriously.

You wouldn't expect one to have an open, gentle and honest debate about the virtues of the earth being flat, would you? I apply the same standard here to theories that border on the extreme.

People who genuinely believe that the earth is flat deserve mockery and ridicule.

OK, lets take this in small steps.

Do you think that there are convicted terrorists in Israel who could be described as 'vile'. Those who murdered innocent women and children, for example?

Why do you give someone like Collins a pass, but refuse to condemn those who planted the Omagh bomb?

The Arab nations care little for Palestine. They care less for South Asia. Vast numbers of South Asians have been enslaved to work and often die in the likes of Qatar, Dubai and Saudi.

Nobody has painted it as a loss.

The loss is that this is pretty much the same deal that Hamas agreed to months ago.

Everything, every bit of destruction, every murder by Israel in the meantime - thousands and thousands of lives snuffed out by the ghouls in the interim - are on Israel, the Yahoo and his sidekicks; on Biden and Blinken too.

I can't remember giving Collins a free pass, or indeed any sort of a pass, either you misunderstood my post or you are intentionally misquoting me. Your comment about Omagh is irrelevant to this thread.

Israel has displaced, robbed, murdered hundreds of thousands of Palestinian people.

I also think Palestinians have the right to seek justice, and to fight back. As a people under military occupation, this right is recognised in international law. If you accept that Palestinians have the right to fight back, I will respond to your question about convicted terrorists in Israel.

The term Hamasnik is intended as an insult, while Hamas supporter is neutral. I reject the terms as you use them.

The problem with them is that you will be hard pressed to find many Hamas supporters in Ireland, but those who are horrified by the Yahooniks are ten a penny. In fact no, a thousand to a penny.

You're not the only one that notices it. Other conflicts lose out on deserved coverage because the media obsess over this one. Not all human life is equal clearly. There's quite a rich lobby backing the movements on both sides of this conflict. Arab Vs Jew. I know that's a generalisation but that's how a lot of Arabs and Jews will set their loyalties. With the amount of wealth backing both movements you'd imagine the PR side in the media is a very important aspect for them. And it works to the detriment of other conflicts which deserve attention.

Part of the reason that there is so much coverage of the Palestinian situation is because Israeli propaganda always works overtime to justify their actions when they go on a spree of murder and destruction. They seem to supply cheap copy to media outlets, which are happy to use it to fill space on paper, the airwaves and screens. In the past this usually benefitted Israel.

This time they are unhappy because it has worked to their disadvantage, as people are so horrified by their actions that they have taken to all available media to respond. Part of the "fight back" is to ask why people don't look over there. On the face of it that is a fair question, but it neglects so many aspects, first and foremost that they try to win the propaganda war by getting their spoke in first. Babies in ovens, beheaded babies, rapes, body parts cut off, and the like on this occasion, all without proof. If Israel had carried out a campaign of a few weeks as before, they might have got away with it again.

For me, that all changed when pictures of a ten-storey building being bombed and demolished hit the internet. One similar to what is in the url below.
https://www youtube com/watch?v=pzFOfUV7iNA
The smartphone has changed everything, and by the time Israel got around to destroying internet connections - never totally successful - the damage had been done. The truth was out.

I'd much prefer that there was no story in Palestine to report, and maybe we would have been able to spend more time on the current situations in Sudan and elsewhere, where despite everything we are receiving news and have some time to comment on it, if not necessarily on this forum. But please, no more look over there in response to posts on Israel who have spent decades trying to fool us into believing that they are doing no evil when they never stop doing evil.

Given that the poster was tarring everyone at a pro-Palestinian event as a Hamas supporter, I think you'll find your position here is rather weak.

Don't let little details like that deter you though.

Hmmm - so you're saying that all those who support Hamas (a recognised terrorist organisation) are in fact not terrorists?

And just so I'm crystal clear on this - you are justifying Ben-Gvir as "not a terrorist" because he was only convicted of "supporting" a terrorist organisation?

Is that correct?

What do you call someone waving the Israeli flag then?

I think the general discourse here has been to avoid derogatory terms - on both sides.

Really? I mentioned those waving Hamas flags as Hamasniks. Not everyone ffs. Don't let little details like that deter you, though, in your endless anti-Jewish postings (and yes, I'm saying you're anti-Jewish, because you are.)