Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There's a lot of pressure for Israel to vote down the legislation that will ban UNWRA. If, however, they go ahead and do that, others will try and fill the gap where possible.

But Israel will provide the ICJ with yet more direct evidence of Genocide and breaches of the provisional measures the ICJ imposed on Israel twice over the last year.

Hmmm - where did you get 60,000 from? Maybe query your own fact checker?

Estimates are North of 200,000.

Glad I ain’t the only one that noticed

Anyways thank feck there’s a ceasefire now, perhaps the Irish Left will now remember there are other conflicts that don’t involve Zionist conspiracies on this planet

"For each civilian hostage freed, Israel has committed to releasing 30 Palestinians detained in Israeli jails, with the number increasing to 50 Palestinian detainees for each female Israeli soldier."

Why do the Palestinians contend that one Palestinian Arab life is worth 30 to 50 times less than one Israeli life? This is so wrong. Why is this just accepted?

While it is clear that Hamas want as many Palestinian civilian casualties as possible for their PR war, why don't they start with the basic fact that one Palestinian life is equal to one Israeli life?

When the Palestinians used one Palestinian suicide bomber (e.g. Wafa Idris) to kill one Israeli, they viewed this as a "win". Why is this never discussed?

Of course the pro-war people will always choose the lowest possible number if it suits their argument. 60000 verified deaths in the conflict while many many more remain buried under the rubble and will likely never be recovered, or dead from other causes related directly to the war, disease, malnutrition, loss of medical treatment etc.

Of course, If I was to claim that only 293 people died in the Twin Towers attack on September 11, people would call me a lunatic conspiracy theorist, but that's the number of bodies that were recovered, the rest having been pulverised beyond identification by the massive forces involved.

Israel has destroyed all of the infrastructure necessary to record the deaths caused during this bombardment. So here's a variation of the age old philosophical conundrum: If a child dies in Gaza, and there is nobody there to record it, did that child really die at all?

Yeah. I'd be careful about how much weight I put behind the idea that Trump strong armed Netanyahu into anything. Sounds too much like MAGA propaganda to me.

As much as I've disagreed with Biden and the Democrats handling of Israel over the last 16 months, there must have been a lot of negotiations going on behind the scenes with regards to the levelling off of Israeli aggression in the region. Such things are always happening.

Trump swanning in, at this point, and taking all the credit doesn't hold any water.

I agree, but I asked another poster this question.

What wars did Israel start? Genuine question.

The vast vast majority of the military conflicts that Israel have been involved in were started by other parties. Its just Israel keeps winning these wars, which is somehow a bad thing.

This latest war was started in October 7th by the incursion of Hamas into Israel proper and the murder of many Israelis. The worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust.

The issue is not Israel, it's Hamas trying to fight wars it cannot win and the Palestinians paying the price.

Many of the thousands of Palestinian prisoners are people who been have locked up without trial and haven't been convicted of anything. They are just as much hostages as the Israeli people who were taken on October 7th - they should never have been detained in the first place. Among the detainees are women and children and 60 Palestinian journalists.

I have repeatedly said that Israeli settlement of the West Bank is wrong, and not helpful in the current climate and situation. Do you want me to put it in my sig?

But that does not mean that Hamas or others are right to kill civilians en mass like they did on October 7th.

You can go back to almost all the conflicts between Israel and its neighbours and you will see they are almost all exclusively started by the other party. If you want to say that it started in 1948, it was the Arabs who started that war. If you want to go back earlier, again ethnic violence was started primarily by Arabs, and Jewish groups returned the serve so to speak. (Civil wars are usually like that).

So, what exactly is your point so? That there should be no Israel?

There are absolutely no winners here. It's a disaster for all concerned but particularly the people of Gaza who have lost everything. War rarely if ever solves anything. It does make some companies rich though. I do think Israel is being forced into this ceasefire, they would much prefer to continue the bombardment of subhumans - do you agree?

Who are these others claiming a Hamas victory? Spit it out man. Why the vagueness?

Fascinating how the left still goes on about allied bombing of Germany and Japanese cities while not a peep about Soviets steamrolling every city, town and village with tanks and artillery all the way to Berlin while raping every woman or Germans shoving 6 million+ people (of a certain race) into gas chambers to die by Zyclon B poisoning

Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

Figures are slightly off, as I say it's nearly 60k in the latest conflict, but the point is the same

Syrian civil war was nearing a million casualties before it abruptly ended recently was in my mind when I posted that

As an Irish leftist I think the situation with Iranian women in universities going missing and the the still ongoing persecution of 1m Uyghurs by China are much bigger Global issues

52k Palestinians and 2k Israelis according to below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

How Israel acted before October 7th has been discussed to death. The land grabs post 1948 on also. I'm not replying and giving you an opportunity to soapbox ad infinitum anymore.

It's a disaster for all concerned but particularly the people of Gaza who have lost everything.

I dont disagree, and Hamas are the primary culprit behind this. They have been a disaster for the people of Gaza.
If they are shown the door, then there is hope. But if they hang around, and try and plan for another war in 10 years time, then the same outcome will result.

I dont agree that Israel wants to keep this war going, despite the comments from a select few Israeli politicans, they are not the majority.

Despite the comments here, Israel do not have some bloodlust that needs to be satisfied.