Luas Finglas

Have you any examples of these places?

I've seen no evidence that Irish NIMBYism is in any way exceptional - it may even be mild by the standards of some places. Nor do I believe it's a Common Law/Roman Law thing, plenty of extreme examples of it exist across Europe that I've seen.

The only place where it seemingly does not exist is in dictatorships and autocratic regimes where individuals have very little in the way of rights.

KrisW1001 is correct. When individuals have the basic human right of access to impartial justice system and have the right to NOT have property/processions arbitrarily seized by the state, then those powers can also be used to pursue what looks like NIMBY concerns. But there's a spectrum between spiteful NIMBYism and state riding roughshod over the rights of an individual.

This balance between the rights of individuals and overall benefits to society is a subtle one and always has been.

I hear countless claims that Irish planning "in not fit for purpose" (I hate this expression), "requires complete reform", "should be rebuilt from scratch following best-practice from elsewhere". But I've never heard any actual specifics or even examples of these wonderful planning systems which we should emulate?

Irish planning - like lots of things (housing, transport, etc.) is to some extent a victim of the success of the Irish economy. The system was undersized given the massive post-bust boom in construction and simply collapsed under the weight of the caseload. The SDZ legislation and the unprecedented investment in public transport infrastructure hit ABP particularly as all these cases bypass local planning.

So I believe the approach of the government is the correct one: just hire more planners, lots more. And try to improve the efficiency of the system - like streamlining the legal process - because there's no way of depriving individuals from access to the justice system. The hiring has already helped as the APB backlog/waiting time is slowly improving. Not sure about the new Planning and Environment court - it should get rid of the huge delays to decide JRs and the like but it's early days yet.

I suspect finding qualified planners willing to work 24/7 (which requires five shifts of people, not three - weekends exist!) will be effectively impossible.

Consultation portals don't close outside of office hours as it is.

https://www.businesspost.ie/property/luas-finglas-a-step-forward-but-with-missed-opportunities/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PropertyNL

The RO is due in May, having been submitted in November. While I have long taken such dates as more of a 'haha date' from ABP other posters on other threads have said they think things have changed and that the board is now sufficiently resourced to deal with applications in a timely manner. Rather than the 2+ years we've been used to lately. I'll check back in May but will be shocked if anything less than 2 years is achieved.

It would really make me and I'm sure most of us here, very happy if we could get these things properly turned around in good time like a normal functioning country. We did it before with the motorways, now is the time for public transport.

I mean this is just a 4km light rail route that cuts through public parks for a good chunk of it. It should be relatively straightforward from a planning point of view. Yes there is an interesting engineering aspect crossing the Tolka, but my God Finglas badly needs this extension.

This is a good point, also if this project could remind DCC that Finglas exists and that it is within their jurisdiction.

If you walk around where the luas route goes you will find, virtually no safe way to cross a road, where a signal controlled crossing exists (a handful of locations), you will find that the pedestrian sequence is..well...never.

All parks and green spaces have anti-disabled, anti- bike kissing gates. Most footpaths have the anti pedestrian barriers. The 4 or 5 public bins have never been changed AFAIK. And there are the orange glow 80s style street lights, most of which haven't worked this century. The only thing there's plenty of is fences, miles and miles of pointless fences to walk around.

In the recent cold snap, there was no gritting of footpaths.

It would just be a good reminder for DCC while they're Building things like the dodder greenaway and gritting alleys in Terenure.

After living in Dublin 11 for 30 years, I've never known the council / corporation to grit paths anywhere. Are they doing this elsewhere now?

Please just let them get Metrolink underway! A further link up to Northwood is a really brilliant idea, but not at this stage.

I can here the Charlemont residents, the green line is beside the airport already, just link it up and you are done. Of course Metrolink is much much much more than an airport metro.

Start planning the extension to Northwood as soon as ML is given the go ahead.

How long would the route be? 2-3km?

Ah yes, keep forgetting the 24 will also connect to the airport!