Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

Again I’m not sure if you read my comment but I said it is relevant for discussion.

This is an October 2023 article- so I assume that Gardai are referring to Bailey when they say …..

They believe they know who killed Sophie, that it was somebody local who knew her and that finally they will have a cast-iron case to prove it.

"We believe we have more than enough evidence against a suspect and that the Director of Public Prosecutions will agree with us.

“People have been convicted in Ireland for much more than some of the evidence we have, but we are taking all the time we need to get this right.

“It is a very high-profile case and the whole country is watching but we are determined that justice will finally be delivered for Sophie.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/11568766/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-cold-case-justice-cork/amp/

Yes yes I know it’s “The Sun”- just asking - wouldn’t it be mad if all of this investigation was actually about someone other than Bailey?

Since the article, Bailey obviously died; they were intending to search video footage of a festival where Bailey allegedly met Sophie around 1994 or 95 I believe - no word on that outcome; they have since got hold of his more recent writings and recording post death so that can’t be what they’re referring to; and of course, the FBI investigation is apparently only commencing its work in the items it’s received - so a hyped tabloid story, or an over hyped and confident investigation team, or a bluff to spook Bailey, or something else?
It’s a strange article - a lot of confidence claimed and yet we’re nearly 1.5 years later and nadda- if their so called “evidence” is some old dude or dudess “remembering” something after 25+ years then jayzuz!

Im terms of the evidence, yes that’s my take on it too.

I dunno- considering it’s a tabloid article, maybe it should be disregarded but even tabloids print the truth sometimes 😀- it’s unusual isn’t it?

In the absence of any follow up article I guess we can’t do/say much more - could have been written based on totally inaccurate sources.

Has got me thinking though - if the 2025 version of An Garda submit a file on Bailey to the DPP, I guess we have to take it that they know best - I do respect the Gardai of today, especially in relation to murder investigations - they’re the experts - they may well have uncovered very clear evidence and haven’t shared it yet

You could even go down a rabbit hole on what "to know" means.

To know "of"?

To know "to see"?

Is it as per dictionary definition eg

have developed a relationship with (someone) through meeting and spending time with them; be familiar or friendly with.

Even if Bailey had been briefly introduced once by Alfie does that = "to know" by that definition?

Dubious.

UK CPS are very clear on this aspect - can’t find a similar statement on the DPP website

Since deceased persons cannot be prosecuted, the CPS will not make a charging decision in respect of a suspect who is deceased.

This applies in all cases where the suspect is deceased, including cases in which the police made a referral to the CPS for a charging decision prior to the suspect's death.

The CPS will also not make hypothetical charging decisions. For instance, it will not indicate:

• What the charging decision would have been if the suspect were still alive;

Whether a different charging decision would be made now, in relation to a deceased suspect, as compared with the charging decision that was made previously in relation to the same suspect.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/deceased-suspects-cps-policy-charging-decisions

I would say it’s because there is pretty much no result (aside from a negative test) that makes the investigating gardai come across as anything better than total incompetents. If they find Bailey DNA, how could they have fucked up so badly, if they find anyone else’s, can of worms.

Good thing about DNA is that you won't get suspects contamination picked up in the intervening years. You might get some forensics team or investigating gardai showing, but they should all be able to be excluded hopefully.

If they pick up one of the 50 suspects DNA, it would have got there on, or before the murder. If it is blood mixed with Sophie's blood, it could only have gotten there during the murder.

Bailey always admitted “ knowing of” and “knowing to see” Sophie.

Whether she was introduced to Bailey or not, Sophie "knew" Alfie Lyons, Finbarr Hellen and even Tomi Ungerer much better than she knew Bailey. She had actual conversations with all three, at different times.

+ Bolger and Hogan and Sullivan & Son.

She would actually have a case against some on here.

Netflix has the big bucks though, and they’d be likely to try and settle. Best of luck to her.

Mostly a repeat of older articles-

https://www.southernstar.ie/news/fbi-hope-new-dna-tests-can-help-finally-crack-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-investigation-4317486

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https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/ian-baileys-ashes-scattered-west-30825354

I hope they scatter the ashes into the sea, or over Kealfada bridge, otherwise the ghouls will be travelling to West Cork to pish on his ashes

Yeah, the “hope” is, that the assailants blood might be captured somewhere within the nooks and crannies of the brick - I imagine this latest investigation won’t be cheap but I do hope it’s comprehensive and that they can get to a stage where they can confidently say that either there is foreign DNA on some of these items and they can get a profile, or that there’s no foreign DNA on these items.

Indeed, the attacker may not have shed any blood but if he pushed the gate open, picked up a rock, prised a brick out of a wall, tugged poor Sophie back out of the hedge…then some sweat or skin cells from his palms, at the very least, may have been deposited.

If he wore gloves, though - which he may well have, on a cold winter night - that would explain the no fingerprints, no DNA. But even the gloves might shed a few skin cells, or traces of sweat, even of saliva from his breath, perhaps - who knows?

Some of the rocks could have been handled by anybody coming and going. Finding DNA on them won't get us anywhere.

What's more realistic is looking at the pump house and examining it. It's far more likely and possible that the killer left DNA whilst picking up that cavity block there. The roof needed to be removed and that with a good bit of force. There is even the slight possibility that the killer injured himself while doing so. It's there where anybody looking for more reliable DNA should have looked, as the activity of removing the roof is directly linked to the killing itself. Sure anybody could have touched the pumphouse as well, injured himself, but it's far less likely that it's anybody other than the killer.

Looking for DNA in areas anybody could have been is probably pointless, same as on Sophie's clothes. Suppose she gave somebody a hug prior to the murder at some point, like a day before?