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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2024 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 LowPowerMode


    "Gary does Solar" on YouTube has a good video that covers clipping that could be worth a look - think he does mention that inverters work more efficiently closer to their max rating so I guess that would be what the installers mean.

    It all your panels were South facing, you would be more likely to hit that 5.28 (or more) of generation more often in the year so you would be losing out of some generation if you went with the smaller inverter (probably still a very low % of overall generation for the year) but if the panels are in a less optimal orientation or split orientation, it would be less like to hit the peak generation so the smaller inverter might be less of a limitation then especially if it was to be significantly cheaper.

    The other aspect would be a battery or if you might ever plan to get a battery in the future, if you had a battery, you would still only be able to support a maximum throughput from solar+battery of whatever the inverter can manage so the smaller inverter would by a limitation there if applicable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭jiminho


    thanks for that, interesting watch. So essentially inverters are more efficient at their max output but what is the best inverter to solar array sizing ratio in Ireland - 110%, 150%?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 LowPowerMode


    No worries I don't think there is any real ratio that works best - it would depend on each system and what was most important.

    With my system, it's about 150% oversized - it's an east/west split - I have it since April but clipping has very rarely been an issue. I do have a battery so I try to not have the battery full on days that are looking good. That way, there could be for example 5kW going to load/grid and 2.5kW charging up the battery. I just do that as I like tinkering with the system rather than any real impact that it would have to overall generation for the year.

    I found the Irish website below before I got my system - it has a figure of 6% losses for 150% oversizing but with mine being E/W, it would likely be much less again. There is a good bit of information on the page so some might be useful.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    There's not much efficiency difference between a 4kW inverter and a 5kW inverter.

    Yes the clip rate will be minimal but there's no good reason to undersize the inverter. There isn't much difference in price.

    Oversizing past 5kW is a different story, as 5kW is around the ESBN inverter size limit.(It's 25 amps or 5.75kW, generally the inverters are rounded down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭brianc123


    Thanks, went for the less expensive quote and a second battery ………



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Correct me if I am wrong:

    If you have an inverter that can do twice the limit, then you can send 1x limit to house/grid AND 1x limit to battery

    or am I really off?

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭jiminho


    Thanks for the responses. Should clarify my original post and say I got a pretty reasonable quote for a 4.4kw (10 panel) system but after a site survey, looks like they can fit in an additional 2 panels for €250 each. Is the extra two panels worth it, especially considering they’re recommending a 4kw inverter for both? My layman view is I’m paying extra for a car with more hp but stuck with the speed limit!

    Post edited by jiminho on


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I would agree, with you. The difference in cost between the inverters is small. Push for a bigger inverter(and possibly get more quotes)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,658 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    I would wonder are they trying to offload some older stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 LowPowerMode


    Yeah, probably best to get some more quotes and with the larger inverter. In terms of the additional panels - the general advice is to get as many as you can so definitely makes sense to get the 2 additional panels or even more if another installer could get more by different layouts or anything.

    Did some very rough calculations for mine and each panel should do on average roughly 300 kWh per year so depending on price plan and if its being exported or used should be probably €70 per year so would be less that 4 year payback based on the 250 cost but panels are very cheap now so that could even be less per additional panel with another installer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 confused 145


    Hi all, just got quotes for an 18 panel system (8.01kw) with 18 optimisers, 5kw huawei hybrid inverter for €8k net, one quote is for jinko 445 panels , the other for Bauer 445kw bifacial panels. The roof is hipped facing east/west, east side has 2 and 4 s panels on the east facings to the front and the balance of 12 panels on the west face. I have been quoted € 3.7k for a 6.9kw huawei battery as well.

    Questions I have are : which panel type is the better given they are equally priced and is the battery size ok for the system.

    I live in the west beside the atlantic and have been told the bifacials are better protected for the sea air ?

    Any help would be much appreciated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 confused 145


    the reason for the optimizers are 2 chimney stacks on both east and west sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    ditch the optimisers they are 45 euro each so that should knock 810 euro off the quote.

    That battery + control module costs 3550 so that’s a very good price for that.

    The jinko 440 panels are 68 euro each and the 5kwh inverter is 630. So that’s 1224 for the panels plus the 630 so 1854 in total.


    panels and inverters are stupidly cheep these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 confused 145


    any views on bifacial panels , as the two quotes are similar should i go with them as they might generate more power around the panel edges or am I fooling myself ?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If same price the bifacial should have a slight edge.

    It's on a ground mount it has more of a benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 confused 145


    Thanks all for your help and advice, will let ye know what I decide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Bifacial are a heavier panel and are really only useful in the ground-mount role when installed at least 4m above ground to get the surface reflection, so my research has led me to believe

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Id go check them numbers.

    4m above the ground is extremely high for a ground mount!

    And they are the same weight

    https://midsummer.ie/buy/trina

    This channel has a lot of tests with bifacial panels

    https://youtube.com/%40projectswithdave?si=YySMBD8lE3KINxa-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Double C


    I just got a 3rd quote from another company and it's in and around the same as above. Am I missing something? I seem to be seeing much cheaper quotes on this thread. I'd appreciate if someone could give me some advice here! TIA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 spaceboy353


    Hi, I would appreciate your feedback on the following quote:

    13 x 445w panels

    Solis 5kW inverter

    3 x Weco 5.3kWh batteries

    BER

    €11,150 after grant

    Thank you in advance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 mykidtractor


    Hi all, complete solar novice.

    Please give me your thoughts on the off the shelf supply only quote for a solar kit below.

    I understand extra costs will be for cables, mounting and labour installation and commissioning... is there anything else required?

    In general I would ask what you think of components are they better products than listed below available?

    Is the quote there or thereabouts price wise?

    Thanks in advance

    Solar Kit

    12 x Jinko 435W Solar Panels

    1 x Solis 5Kw Hybrid inverter

    1 x Pylontech or Dyness 5KWh Battery

    1 x Roll of 4mm Single-core cable (100m drum)

    1 x AC Isolator1x DC Isolator

    1 x Onnxy Energy Meter

    1 x Solis Wi-Fi Dongle

    1 x Firefighter safety switch

    25 x MC4 Connectors

    Price €3450+VAT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    hi All,

    Can anyone who has ground mounted quotes/ installs please comment .

    Ive got one rough quote in . Before I look for more details .what I have at the moment is


    10K PV panels. Fixtures and fittings

    5.5 kv hybrid inverter.

    5.3 KW battery

    Ground mount for 22 panels. And all fitting .
    prove for supply and install. 14400 excluding grant of 2100.
    If you can possibly comment .
    thank you .



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Grant is now only 1800



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Borax2709


    I paid €12k for a reputable installer [ probably €1k or more over the price of other smaller outfits ] for 13 panels, sofar inverter and 5kWh Dyness battery for a new build.

    Additional costs for install worth considering (cherry picker was required as house is 3 storey), flat roof so additional mounts required too.

    Your quotes look in line with what I got installed (October).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭eldamo


    Hi

    Have gotten two quotes (third one on thursday morning).

    First one, from a mainline big business

    12 445w Panels (5.34kw)

    Solis Hybrid Invertor

    5kw Battery

    Eddie

    12,450 (after grant)

    Second one from a smaller outfit, (still all SEAI registered and all).

    20 440w Panels (8.8kw)

    Solis Hybrid Invertor

    5.3kw Battery (maybe just rounding)

    (eddie is an optional 650 extra, I think my wife wants it)

    9,750 (after grant)

    I would want to have rocks in my head to go for the big business.

    They did some stuff like talk up their software that would allow you in one night rate period, Charge, sell to the grid, and charge your battery again… but I thought the software would be on the invertor not the battery… am I wrong…

    They talked up the quality of their Irish made panels…

    The one thing he did say that raised an eyebrow was that the electricity you were exporting would only be reflected as a credit on your bill. So, I asked him if I ever got 2,000 into credit would I be able to get my grubby mitts on it… no according to him, this has to be wrong or at least depend on electricity supplier. They have a start up deal with an energy supplier where you get an extra 10 cent on the import rate for 2 years… so I wonder is it only a credit from that specific supplier for that reason?

    But if it is only ever a credit, would there be a need to put a full 8.8kw on the house when we use 5009kwh per annum.

    Oh, last question, he looked at my meter. I have a smart meter, but not the correct one to measure electricity exported, he said I would need to contact ESB to have the correct one put in. I completely forgot to ask the guy if there would be a cost attached to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    Quote one , I would be actively😉binning the quote and all waffle from that salesman.

    Also I've never heard of a smart meter in Ireland that can't record export.

    ☀️ 7.8kWp ⚡3.6kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 poppster


    AFAIK, having spoken with some installers and my own research, this is what I understand, but open to be corrected

    1. The export is reflected as credits on the bill and they could keep building up. Only time it could be encashed is if you were leaving the company as your supplier.
    2. Your 8.8kW may be limited by your inverter, but that entirely depends on your set up.
    3. RE: smart meter, you need to check you bill. Under the MPRN number, there are additional items of information. You're looking for the MC. If it's an MCC12, you should be able to get data on energy exported. image.png


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    1. Pinenergy pay out credit without issue, without leaving, so not all,
    2. yes the 8.8 kW will be limited by the inverter, but that is only on the perfect days, rest of the time that 8.8.kw will be working
    3. If you have a smart meter, look in your meter box, the MCC isnt good enough as you can still be on mcc01 and mcc02 and have a smart meter. - Do sign up for the ESBN account to get direct access to your meter data.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 soycuba


    Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone has any experience with any no upfront cost solar companies that they could share?



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