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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    Those fires have been happening there since before the houses were there. Holy fcuk, are these climate alarmists really this clueless, seriously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,424 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    deniers seriously do show up their lack of intelligence with such matters!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Long before Californian celebrities and the well heeled decided it was a good idea to build homes surrounded by brushwood, nature had found its own ways of dealing with brushwood.

    Long before California became famous for celebrities it was famous for the Giant Redwood Sequoia, which without nature burning off the brushwood on the forest floor to provide both space and heat to open the sequoia cones allowing them to germinate and grow, the Giant Redwood would now be extinct.

    Building predominantly timber houses surrounded by brushwood without recognising the risk of them burning is like building on a flood plain ignoring the risk of flooding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I don't like the sound of this judgement. It could lead to all sorts of stuff being built in all sorts of places. While on the other side a lot could be refused for the same reasons. It's placing the climate law at the top of everything

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/high-court-rules-an-bord-pleanala-must-prioritise-climate-law-in-wind-farm-case-likely-to-affect-all-public-bodies/a294141249.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It has been more or less like that for some time now, where some of these green groups have been running to the High Court with anything that is even vaguely related to climate change as being in the national interest without having to put their hands in their pockets win or lose knowing local communities cannot afford to challenge not having the same protection.

    It`s one of the reasons I`m happy to see rural independents making up the next government rather than Labour or the SD`s. It leaves FG & FF no one to hide behind on issues like this.

    Post edited by charlie14 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Excellent, there be no problems then ramming thru building of green nuclear plants to meet climate targets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    The rains and floods which naturally follow the wildfires in southern California will be blamed on climate change by the usual suspects too.

    With no foliage to capture the water floods are certain.

    As Albert Hammond says in his song it never rains in Southern California but it pours.

    Anyone who follows Jay Leno's Garage knows that over the years there are always wildfires which prevent him from driving cars.

    Los Angeles wouldn't need all those levees which we saw in the 70s cop shows if there was vegatation there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    Greenpeace in Germany are currently lobbying for additional tax on ICE cars. Ireland basically already has what they want in the form of VRT which isn't charged to a large extent on EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Apparently someone took the risk seriously and planned accordingly: Getty Villa Used Mitigation and Preparedness to Save Itself from Fire. Here are some causes for ignition of these fires - arcing from electrical wires or arsonists or lightning strikes. Given the number of different fires underway, arson is a strong possibility.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Same Greenpeace who are responsible for gigatons of co2 via coal burning due to their anti nuclear campaign paid by questionable sources.

    More than likely EU will ban Tesla’s precisely because Elon is poking everyone here where he shouldn’t and protect German car makers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    “But an immediate end to business as usual is a precondition for planetary survival.” He set out the science behind this assertion, adding: “The problem is that the problem is so big that to even describe it factually sounds like scaremongering.”

    Activist climate scientists are a big enough problem without judges getting in on the act. This is truly alarming. Anyone who paints this as a "precondition for planetary survival" is not following the science, they are exploring the outer reaches of the lunatic fringe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    You posted a link to the grid to tell everyone it isnt windy and its night time so no solar. Do you think that people are not aware of the weather or it's night time?

    It would be interesting if we counted up the amount of times someone has linked to that website stating the obvious as if nobody knows the weather in Ireland.

    You mean like the way Wind Energy Ireland posts a major press release picked up by all the media every time we have a windy month. But it's crickets when the wind doesn't blow. Corporate lobbyists are bilking us for billions but you're more worried about a post on an obscure thread on boards.ie that points out the obvious?

    The grid at the moment was never promised to be 100% renewal, unless you think it was? it was always going to be a mix of fuel sources like wind, sun, gas etc etc. Even when we move forward it will be a similar mix but more towards renewal technologies.

    You've been trotting out the same misinformation about this incessantly for what must be a couple of years now, ever since you posted a link to what you claimed was Ireland's climate action plan but was merely an interim document to 2030. You've been corrected dozens of times but refuse to acknowledge it. Ireland's 2050 plan is for zero fossil fuels, with primarily wind generation back by hydrogen storage. (It's not going to happen, of course, but that doesn't mean it's not the plan).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    So you'd spend €7.5 billion for two hours of backup storage? How about 24 hours, 48 hours etc. Even given that average electricity consumption is a bit less than half of peak, a week's worth of backup would cost €340 billion. Even the people making a ton of money out of this technology don't believe BESS is viable for anything other than peak shaving. It would be quite literally insane. Remember, it doesn't generate a single electron. You could have a nuclear reactor in every county for that money (three times as many as we'd need), and still be wondering how many children's hospitals to build with the leftovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    So what you are saying is when it is windy, wind turbines generate electricity? when its not they don't?

    You do realise everyone is aware of that so still struggling why you and other seem to feel the need to post this every few days as if people dont know the weather

    In terms of solar, everyone knows when it night time they don't work, plus when its cloudy they are not as productive

    In terms of the second part, you are off on a tangent, I posted the link to a government document which you seemed totally unaware of. That's not my issue.

    As I posted the grid currently has always been said to be a mix. Not sure what the tangent is about so leave you at it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,027 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If your car won't charge unless it's at +4c there's something wrong with it.

    Norway the average winter temp is -7 and go to -40 in parts. Bjorn has at least one video charging at -10 on a home charger.

    I charged mine at -3/-5 a few times during the week, and it preheated just fine the following morning. In previous years I've had the 12v battery freeze in my petrol car at -10 which was a new thing. There's ways around that if you've a bit of sense.

    This time I was surprised just how many were out cycling. More than I expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,027 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think a bigger problem is some little thinking a few degrees below freezing is "extreme cold". Unable to drive, on summer tires and people not knowing how to charge a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    How is it possible to be on here as long as you have been and still not understand what net zero emissions for generation means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,098 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We probably spend that anyway on demand units to be fair, in the grand scheme of things it's one of the more useful things we can spend money on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,098 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You know yourself, if you need an expert opinion on electric cars, ask somebody who doesn't own one 🤣🤣🤣

    But seriously I had a huge argument with a (now former) Green party TD on my doorstep when he suggested I trade the car in and buy a bike.

    I think the EV V ICE debate needs to change to a car V public transport/cycling one. Car drivers should stick together regardless of what fuel the car takes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,027 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Electric Cars, true.

    I've cycled, I used public transport but I've also reverted to car when it suited. So I'm on both sides of this debate.

    Theses are problems we solve with incremental changes, the occasion leap forward. But there no place for green washing either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,098 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Fully agreed, I always laugh when somebody says "do you think your saving the planet with your Tesla"

    For anybody wondering, no, no I don't think I am saving the planet. I'm driving a car that's saving me a fortune in fuel, it might be better for the planet but it's still not "good" for it

    I'd like to contribute to saving the planet by cycling or using public transport, who wouldn't? I simply don't have that ability unless I want to be consistently late and sweaty to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    So what you are saying is when it is windy, wind turbines generate electricity? when its not they don't? You do realise everyone is aware of that so still struggling why you and other seem to feel the need to post this every few days as if people dont know the weather

    Because people act as if they're not aware of it or they keep forgetting. It's to remind them that wind turbines will not save us having to install backup generation capacity to provide for when the wind is not blowing. Just so they don't underestimate the true cost of wind (e.g. when claiming, like you did, that wind is nine times cheaper than gas).

    In terms of the second part, you are off on a tangent, I posted the link to a government document which you seemed totally unaware of. That's not my issue.

    Nope, I was aware of it. It was the government draft climate action plan to 2030. I pointed out to you that the plan for 2030 was not the same as the plan for 2050, and gave you a link to the correct document.

    As I posted the grid currently has always been said to be a mix.

    Yep, and that's where you've always been wrong from the start. You haven't even read the right document. I've corrected you on this maybe 20 times. At this stage it's fairly obvious you don't want to "get it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Let make it quick and simple

    Majority of the population knows how wind turbines work, we dont need updates on the weather after it happened. It's ridiculous

    No I never claimed wind is 9 times cheaper

    The story about the document is imaginary and you created it to cover up your own ignorance.

    Best of luck on your travels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Cycling or using public transport would make you late to work how? millions of people in Ireland take public transport or cycle to work daily and are not late

    Why would you be late?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Most of the population doesn’t know that wind only has 30% capacity factor

    So we endup with gas powered electricity majority of the time

    Nor do they know that wind has short operatable lifespan and costs for offshore wind are double nuclear

    Neither do most people know that the energy market is structured in such a manner to the rip them off and make private companies wealthy and still not achieve real co2 reductions as most of time fallback to gas burning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,027 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's 30% not better than 0%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭creedp


    Agree, I for one was unaware of these specifics prior to reading through this thread and am grateful to those who are prepared time and time again to refute the greenwashing pulpit bashing, pursued by a small number of extremely vociferous pro, at any cost, current green policy contributors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    People are aware if the wind doesn't blow then wind turbines don't work

    Same as people are aware at night time solar doesn't work

    Posting the grid every few days after a few days of no wind is nonsense. People are aware of the weather

    In terms of nuclear, as pointed out multiple times on this thread the population in Ireland doesn't want nuclear.

    Im also wondering who you think is hiding it when a website was created to make it very easy for everyone to check what is been used to power the grid? if this was a conspricy wouldn't they hide that?

    Has anyone claimed that wind turbines work without wind?

    I don't see it on this thread or anywhere else so maybe you can explain who is telling you that?

    In terms of "greenwashing pulpit bashing" I don't see any of that going on at all.

    The most "extermely vociferous" posting is not been done on this thread by people interested in environmentally friendly options, its the people against them. Most of it full of misinformation and just lies

    ANyway will leave it at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    They are not aware that in reality we have to double up on generation capacity with gas backup for majority of time wind and solar are doing feck all

    They are also not aware these insane costs are then passed down to them and now Ireland has one of the highest electricity prices in world while still being 6x more CO intensive than the likes of France and Finland who embraced nuclear

    You keep waffling while I will keep posting facts and statistics to backup reality

    If it makes you angry that the reality of wind economics doesn’t match the snake oil promises that was sold to the country then perhaps start questioning what else the “green” movement has got so badly wrong



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