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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I'm sure ryan was boasting about these not so long ago

    https://extra.ie/2024/12/22/news/irish-news/stalled-fleet-of-new-electric-buses

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    happy new year, Greenpeaces smear crusade against nuclear resulted in a world burning more and more coal, but we can’t ever mention China because they burn coal to make solar panels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They burn coal to make lots of green technology In China. What do you think is the main source of power for BYD, Tesla and MG manufacturing plants?

    If you want the "greenest" manufacturing process look to the industry in France



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    like chopping down rainforests, transporting them across ocean and then trucking them across this country to produce “green” electricity two thirds of time when all the other “green” electricity is producing f all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You have such little knowledge of the electricity grid in France it's actually funny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Also I see the EU is still trying to pretend it's a player in the world (as reported in the FT but that is behind a paywall) by threatening gas producers:

    https://x.com/chigrl/status/1870820861231640722

    Along with Norway threatening to cut energy links with the eu:

    https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/12/13/norway-aims-to-cut-energy-links-with-europe-due-to-soaring-prices

    And Germany still doing its ideology on energy because it doesn't need that gas pipeline and it doesn't need those nuclear reactors and, oh, why are people not voting for us? Must be social media influencers.

    Hmm. I wonder where Ireland gets its gas from... Ah sure, it'll be grand. We'll get it from all those turbines we haven't built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's mad, I thought the green scientists were the ones lacking good communication skills



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Mr Lumley also said that the carbon footprint of this shipment is attributed to South American countries where the material is harvested.

    He described this as a 'loophole' in the carbon calculation process.

    Mr Lumley added: "In this case while it complies with the rules, it doesn’t make it green. The idea of importing biomaterial from South America to burn it in Ireland and claim that we are virtuous because it is classified as carbon neutral simply because a quirk of the current carbon counting rules allows us to do that.”

    Irish “green” Policies ladies and gentlemen



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,618 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    With more of the same planned for Killala in Mayo for 200,000 tonne annually.

    You really know how inane and idiotic this whole green ideology has become when you see An Taisce criticising it on Mercosur and greenwashing the burning of wood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    First off you are responding to to your post, so you are agreeing with yourself. What is that about?

    Lets have a look back at the market share figures. I left out covid.

    It was only in 2017 the market share for diesel was over 70% and before that it was in the 80's

    What is that about "the population reached similar conculsions"?

    To me the market share has grown massively in a few short years. Plus you count in PHEV then you are at 23%

    Don't let the details get in the way of a good story a chara

    2019 - 3,444

    2022 - 15,262

    2023 - 22,493

    2024 - 17459

    Of all new cars registered in 2019:

    • 47% were diesel;
    • 41% were petrol;
    • 9% were hybrid;
    • 3% were electric and;
    • 1% plug-in hybrid.

    2024

    • Petrol - 30%
    • Diesel - 23%
    • Hybrid - 21%
    • Electric - 14%
    • Plug-in Hybrid - 10%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,420 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Why would you be counting PHEV as electric? If they were gung-ho on EVs you'd think they would be firmly in the EV camp? I'd be inclined to include them in the ICE side of the equation, otherwise why bother with an engine at all?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Because green logic. Soon when EV sales drop further they will start counting even cars which do have electric cigarette lighter installed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Nah. Confused people mostly didnt get back to the Dail so things may get better eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Are we counting electric bikes as “vehicles” yet? Can always add training wheels and voila 4wheel electric “car”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Half the bus services into and out of Limerick cancelled today

    Times like this I'm glad I have a car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    I can't help feeling this is the year when the wheels finally come off the European climate policy trolley. Or maybe they came off long ago but we can no longer ignore that we've been skidding along on our arses.

    First there is this intriguing finding:

    Some excerpts:

    Specifically, the new paper provides insight into how Europe … has come to quietly dominate climate science and policy. It turns out that IAMs [Integrated Assessment Models] are an incredibly important base of soft power.

    [It] shows the overwhelming role of European institutions in developing and hosting IAMs … to extend the reach of IAMs beyond climate science and into settings like banking and finance, corporate governance, and a wide range of government policy making.

    AR6 scenarios originating in Europe have wind and solar playing a 2.5x greater role in global energy in 2050 than do scenarios originating outside Europe. Similarly, nuclear energy in 2050 has half the role in European AR6 scenarios compared to those from outside Europe. … From 2018 to 2022 IA modelers outside of Europe became more pessimistic about the role of wind and solar and more optimistic about nuclear. The European modelers moved in the opposite direction.

    … Such results may simply reflect European values and biases, baked into the fabric of individual IAMs, which have so much complexity that it is difficult for independent observers to tease out how values and politics might influence assumptions and model construction.

    The EU emphasis on intermittent renewables as the backbone of climate policy led inexorably to the vision for a green hydrogen economy (which was eagerly lapped up here in Ireland). But a recent EU Court of Auditors special "reality check" report on renewable hydrogen (available here) says that targets may have been politically motivated and that:

    The Commission did not undertake robust analyses before setting the EU’s renewable hydrogen production and import targets. These were not broken down into binding targets for member states and not all member states set their own targets. When they did so, these national targets were not necessarily aligned with the Commission’s targets. In fact, the EU targets turned out to be overly ambitious: based on the available information from member states and industry, the EU is unlikely to meet them by 2030. The Commission did not set any EU targets for low-carbon hydrogen.

    In fact, one fifth of all European renewable hydrogen projects have been cancelled or stalled. Of 120 GW of renewable hydrogen capacity planned for 2030, just five years from now, we currently have 0.2 GW.

    Sabine Hossenfelder has this damning summary:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm betting the penny still hasn't dropped.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Hows that snowstorm doing in the states



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Never mind the United States. How is the all Ireland grid holding up under pressure? 7497 MW demand.
    There are some people off the grid in parts of the country due to the recent dump of global warming in parts of the country.

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    It's January, freezing fog, it's dark, very low temperatures, wind is calm. Dunkelflaute in other words.
    What fuel is used to generate power to charge the batteries (BESS) and pumped hydro?

    Wind and solar generation when most needed . . . not a chance

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    What happened to imports during peak demand? https://www.smartgriddashboard.com/#all

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Hydrogen was always a pipe dream. Most of those "dead" plans you refer to were to have wind or solar farms and then using the excess for hydrogen generation that could then be re-converted to electricity when it was needed. A solid idea on paper but in reality lithium batteries stored and released the same energy with much greater efficiency

    Realistically if we want to go green with our electricity grid we need a lot of solar, hydro and wind in such a way that if 2 of the sources produce nothing the third source can comfortably provide the entirety of our energy needs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Well, when you cut your wildfire prevention budgets by $150 million, which included funding that allowed the clearance of potential burnable fuel, this will happen.

    Newsom 2028? What a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Couldn’t charge car last few nights because it’s too cold, good thing was hybrid and could fall on petrol

    Oh and battery capacity is a fraction of what it was only few years ago when it does charge

    I would never consider a second hand EV, we are at stage where cars depreciate physically even faster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    I was wondering what happened to imports during peak demand yesterday.

    Over in the UK, they got close to rolling blackouts, demand was higher than forecast. See Blackouts near miss in tightest day in GB electricity market since 2011

    What happened on 8 January 2025?

    On 5 January, NESO published its peak demand forecast for 8 January at 43.267 GW. Generator availability was expected to be 47.425 GW, and interconnector availability 6.674 GW. The operational planning margin requirement was 3.235 GW, meaning the surplus was 0.923 GW.

    At 8am on 8 January, peak demand for the evening peak forecast by Amira to be 48.6 GW – this is intended as a true GB electricity demand forecast accounting for the effects of embedded generation in the distributions networks. At the time, the NESO transmission system demand forecast was 46.777 GW (at 17:00). The Initial Transmission System Demand Outturn data from BMRS indicated that actual transmission system demand was 46.825 GW (at 17:30) ie the forecast was too low.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Hydrogen was always a pipe dream. Most of those "dead" plans you refer to were to have wind or solar farms and then using the excess for hydrogen generation that could then be re-converted to electricity when it was needed. A solid idea on paper but in reality lithium batteries stored and released the same energy with much greater efficiency

    But lithium batteries on a scale that could replace baseload power for an extended period are a pipedream too.

    Realistically if we want to go green with our electricity grid we need a lot of solar, hydro and wind in such a way that if 2 of the sources produce nothing the third source can comfortably provide the entirety of our energy needs

    Wind and solar will always be intermittent. Hydro capacity is constrained by geography, and subject to drought. Even if these three were a viable combination you would be talking about building 3x maximum demand and replacing the wind and solar every 25 years. But since they're not, the backup will always be natural gas.

    And whichever way you do it you will always be making electric power substantially more expensive by adding underutilised capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The largest battery storage facility in Ireland at the moment is in Aghada in Cork 150MW/300MWh and the total needed for the country is estimated at 7GWh (7,000MWh) so you would need just 500 odd of these to have a 2hr backup for the entire country, not accounting for future technology that's far from a pipe dream



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


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    Not a single day in 2024 has “solar and wind” Germany has emitted less CO2 than nuclear and green France

    Germany spent upwards of two trillion euro on Energiewende over several decades and this is what they have to show for it



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