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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Yet you had people here denying that this type of Gombeenomic robbery was happening! That there was no Asylum Economic Ecosystem "trough" where the few connected were gorging from at the expense of the taxpayer.

    Just remember that when you get your couple of hundred euro tax "relief" from the Government, they are taking it all back through schemes and scams such as the one you pointed out. And giving it to lovely individuals such as Mr Mooney.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Absolutely they are not. Earlier their was reference to trucks for of “illegals” who submitted asylum claims when found.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    With such high numbers of asylum applications being rejected the term is more accurate than you might like to admit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Anyone who is coming here, lying and scamming the system is making a fraudulent claim, people can dance around terminology till the cows come home. But in my book they are here illegally, therefore an illegal immigrant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I have some questions:

    (1) the Albanian was carrying two passports - it seems one false Polish passport and his real passport.

    Is this in itself a criminal offence?

    (2) he presented the false passport in Dublin airport - is this an offence?

    (3) He is attempting to enter Ireland using a false passport - is this an offence?

    (4) a minute later, he pulls out the genuine passport, and claimed asylum

    We have been told, over and over, that no matter how a person enters the country, no matter that the person had been using a false passport five minutes earlier, the mere act of saying "I claim asylum" turns this person into a legal immigrant

    It seems that the person can, in a matter of seconds, convert or transform from what appears to all reasonable people as being an illegal immigrant, to being a legimate asylum applicant, a minute later.

    Amazing.

    If this is correct, then it is bonkers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The two women directors of IGO Cafe Limited and IGO Emergency Management Services deserve the Entrepreneurs of the Year Awards.

    From setting up their cafe in 2017, they now have multi-million State contracts to provide services at DP centres.

    Their hard work has paid off, with their directors pay increasing to 1.24m during 2023.

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    Their revenues are heading for 50m, from State contracts, financed by taxpayers.

    I am sure the workers of Ireland, who reach the 48.1% marginal tax rate at earnings of just 42k, are delighted to pay hundreds of millions for the accomm of what the head of GNIB stated are economic migrants, and at the same time, support these innovative business people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The world has gone mad. The numbers coming here will only increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Utterly sickening. What does it say when Boards posters are doing more due diligence than mainstream media. This should be a national scandal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It boils my p1ss that the IPA system is being treated as yet another means for the elites of Irish society to make money hand over fist and the far left do gooders are expending their energy defending these scumbags exploiting the fringes of what's acceptable within capitalism.

    What a bunch of frauds, supposedly socialist campaigners defending the most dispicable form of capitalism because you know, reasons.

    The fact is that the left in Ireland is populated by well healed people who will never be negativily impacted by this crisis.

    And our disgusting political class insulating these scumbag business owners from the scrutiny they deserve.

    What an utterly broken country this is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    And another sickening thing about it all is that in the eyes of the far left these business owners getting paid exorbitant sums of money are better people than the working class people of Ireland who are protesting against the terrible handling of all of this. When did left become so establishment? Not siding with the working people, siding with business owners and landlords



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Doesn't matter what you decide in your book

    Asylum seekers are legally entitled to claim asylum and are not illegal immigrants. Anyone calling them such are attempting to criminalise people and discriminate against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Stop making excuses for people who are fraudulently coming into the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting/personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    If there claim is rejected, and still here, are they not illegal? If they come with no documents or fake documents, are they not illegal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Is the logic that until the relevant authorities have recognised their illegal status they're genuine applicants?

    Even though they entered the country under false pretences in an attempt to defraud the Irish tax payer and have been illegal in actuality all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Plan A - fake Polish passport

    Plan B - genuine Albanian passport and magic word "asylum"

    Either way he wins and the weak impotent "immigration system" fails.

    Edit - I suppose the fact he showed any passport at all should be seen as a win these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Do twitter links not work anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The irony in your opening line when you read the next paragraph.

    If I say non western immigration to some European countries is a net negative regardless of age, am I attempting to discriminate or am I just stating facts? In your book you'd probably got with discrimination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    The political system has been captured by the elites.

    It doesn't matter if you are talking about right, left or center.

    I have particular hatred for the left however because they claim to be against the elites.

    Yet their religion wokeness was cooked up in elite universities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭lmao10


    ah "the elites" conspiracy theory strikes again. Nobody ever seems to have the courage to spell out who these elites actually are though?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    elites= landlords, hotel owners etc. It shouldn’t need to be spelled out



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    That's not an excuse. That's the law. Plenty of people enter the country illegally and stay illegal. Those that enter and claim asylum are not illegal, no matter how much you really want them to be.

    Everyone is entitled to claim asylum, not everyone is entitled to succeed in their claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Don't be so ridiculous.

    Elites simply means the richest and most morally bankrupt people in the country.

    They see the asylum crisis and see an opportunity to make money.

    As a devout socialist surely you're opposed to these people and their practices, no?

    EDIT - There's nothing "conspiratorial" about this statement, anyone making such a preposterous claim should be clarifying what they mean when they say that, otherwise it will be dismissed out of hand as an attempt to discredit a valid argument by association with the notion of "conspiracy theories".

    The fact remains that we have prominent left wing contributors here defending the worst kind of aggressive capitalism imaginable because it's adjacent to their beliefs around letting anyone and everyone into the country with as little oversight as possible.

    We need a better standard of left wing voices, what we have currently is just a rabble of barely coherent, overly aggressive, luxury belief peddling middle class (yeah I'm making assumptions, but assumptions are made about me too) champagne socialists who are tripping over themselves to defend literally anything once it aligns with their twisted beliefs.

    EDIT 2 - The Cambridge dictionary definition of the word Conspiratorial...

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    This does not corroborate the notional meaning inferred in a post further down the page relating to what I'm putting forward.

    Also, the group of people described have been well defined, business owners making money (legally but with some morally questionable motivation) from the asylum system in Ireland.

    There is no conspiracy here, just greedy people making money in an unscrupulous fashion.

    I have not suggested that a undefined group of shady people are carrying out undefined shady actions.

    I have identified a well defined group of people who are engaged in well defined practices.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Yes some are genuine but many are making fraudulent claims and they are illegals in my book.

    Same as if someone broke into my house and trespassed, they will probably never be before the courts, but they still committed an illegal act.

    I don't know why you are defending people scamming the system.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What level of wealth to you puts people in the richest category?

    Is merely meeting that level of wealth enough for them to be considered morally bankrupt or how do you define morally bankrupt in this context?

    Your definition still seems very unclear and conspiratorial.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Who is defending anyone? I'm defending the law. Anyone making fraudulent claims should be found to be doing so and their claim refused.

    (Just fyi, if someone breaks into your house, they commit burglary, not trespass.)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Post edited by Brian? on

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No need. It’s a handy catchall term to use when you want to over simplify an incredibly complex issues.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it’s funny, i think “elites” does need to be defined so we can have a reasonable discussion. I’m an elite, socialist who enjoys the occasional glass of champagne. I like to know if people are talking about me.

    I don’t see anyone defending the “worst kind of capitalism imaginable”, I see posters defending legitimate asylum seekers

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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