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Cocaine Destroying Rural Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    I got a conviction, 200 pounds fine and threat of a custodial sentence if I did it again, in the 1990's, for 10/15 quid's worth and it wasn't in the paper, not even the Tallaght Echo. It's hardly front page news, I wasn't Pablo Escobar. The only thing newsworthy, about cases like these, is the scandalous waste of police/court resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Do you have kids? If so, or if you're going to, would you encourage them to smoke weed instead of drinking alcohol? Genuine question, I have teens.

    Second genuine question. Are you being serious when you claim in your small town the majority of people are heading out for a pint with bags of cocaine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭fire_man


    I was out couple nights over Christmas and didn't see any trace of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭corsav6


    Yes I have 3 and honestly I'd tell them avoid both. Weed is not for everyone and can have serious effects on some people's mental health. I'd view it as something to try as an adult which is what I done.

    Likewise with alcohol. Try it when old enough and decide if it's for you.

    I'd have no issues with any of my kids using alcohol or weed when they get to the proper age, as long as they don't abuse it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    Yea another option ,probably not 100% fool proof though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    OK. Fair enough.

    Second genuine question. Are you being serious when you claim in your small town the majority of people are heading out for a pint with bags of cocaine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭corsav6


    It's fairly bad now unfortunately. When I say the majority I mean lads in their 20s and 30s. I don't drink and wouldn't be in the pub very often at all, but I've seen it myself in a small pub in town. I was shocked and tbh it's worrying as my lads are near the teen years and it's a lot more accessible than when I was growing up. I never even seen it until I was in my twenties and that was at a house party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Right. I'm older, in the suburbs of Dublin and none of my peers are in to it. There was a bit flying around during the Celtic tiger but it was expensive and I just didn't get in to it, out of my depth. I was at a rural wedding and there were signs for sure. Best man was doling something out to people at a late stage.

    Then again, we've no real policing. People can generally do what they want.

    Great that you acknowledge that weed can have an effect on mental health (as does booze). I've seen the decline of three people because of it, all men, unemployable, marriage done, out of the house… and then there's fella's I know that use weed every day and they're fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭corsav6


    I was an everyday smoker and functioned fairly well but it wasn't healthy and even for people it suits I think over consumption will cause issues. I'll have 1 or 2 at the weekend if it suits but with 3 kids sometimes it just doesn't suit. I do know lads that still smoke daily and seem to function fairly well, but if they don't have weed they then can't function as it's a necessity to them now.

    Like yourself I've never really been around cocaine and wouldn't really find myself in situations where it's readily available. In the small town I grew up in it was unheard of, but a huge proportion of men were alcoholics. My own parents spilt because of alcohol and I've seen the devastating affects it has on a family. If anything my experience showed me how important it is for me as a father to be a good influence on my lads and to try and guide them into the right decisions. Something I never had growing up and probably responsible for a few of my little mistakes growing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Was at Leopardstown races over Christmas , couldn’t get over the amount of alcohol been consumed , one time at the races people drank a few pints in the Bars which is fair enough but this Christmas the bookies area was full of primarily young men holding pints and not much better in the parade ring , sad to see so many 18-21 year olds everywhere you turned unable to enjoy their day without getting twisted and no doubt after 6 or 7 pints someone will happily sell them some cocaine to rightly fcuk them up . If your a young person or older person in my case who doesn’t want to drink it’s very difficult, better off not going . Rugby matchs are as bad , to be fair to gaa they don’t allow alcohol in the stands , with all these drugs legal or illegal Is it any wonder there are so many mental health problems ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I think you must be very out of touch if you're surprised at drinking at the Christmas Leopardstown festival. Majority of that age group don't go for the racing it's the for the day out with friends that includes drinking.

    However studies have consistently shown the younger generations of today are drinking far less than the previous ones. You may not see this anecdotally at an a horse racing event as I have said majority are there for drinks and to see mates but it's well researched.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/30783/alcohol-consumption-by-generation/

    I wouldn't say that it's sad though just because it doesn't match with your beliefs on alcohol.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    ah lad you’ve hardly stumbled upon an ancient species it’s teenagers/young adults on the beer at a festival it wasn’t a big foot sighting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Was at Leopardstown races over Christmas , couldn’t get over the amount of alcohol been consumed , one time at the races people drank a few pints in the Bars which is fair enough but this Christmas the bookies area was full of primarily young men holding pints and not much better in the parade ring 

    "One time at the races people drank a few pints"….The 'races', especially big race meets, have a long association with large amounts of alcohol being consumed. Given it is also over the Christmas, it's always been extremely popular.

    You're either equating it to a race meet in the 50's where a 'few pints in bars' were consumed or you're making it up. I know which one I'd bet on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/maire-treasa-ni-cheallaigh-cocaine-is-everywhere-so-lets-talk-about-the-best-way-to-tackle-it/a1048924150.html

    more hysteria in the media today . she has leapt from a common entry level experience to the extreme scenario in 2 lines…. boom ! which does not happen regularly when compared to the overall useage.

    most people don't buy on tick and most people pay their debts like they should.

    it can hit any home in Ireland she says (and it does sometimes) but to use that as the end result is fear mongering and alarmist. its extreme scenario moralizing like a priest would pronounce from the pulpit back the day.

    It starts with a line (usually at a house party or in a pub bathroom). Then it’s two lines, then it’s a bag and then it’s two and then it’s debts, aggression, illness, loss of hobbies, jobs and relationships. The loss of a future. Parents paying off dealers. Houses petrol-bombed. This can hit any home in Ireland

    extreme examples doesn't work when trying to control drug use - cos when kids/teens try it they don't end up like that. Then they disregard all warnings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,759 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    A saying I heard in the US years ago:

    "A snort of cocaine made me feel like a new man. The only problem was that the first thing the new man wanted was another snort of cocaine!"

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    "I don't like cocaine. I just like the way it smells"

    Richard Pryor.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    yeah but if you buy a bag and pay up does that therefore mean someone wasn’t forced to swallow condoms full of the coke to pass airport security because if they didn’t a cartel was going to cut their families faces off?

    Let’s just remind ourselves that just because the wee gobshite who sold you a bag wouldn’t have it in them to cut grass doesn’t mean someone isn’t suffering for your sniff.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    can’t understand how anyone can snort coke knowing it was probably in someone’s anal cavity. Honestly like does that not make you feel sick no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Well, some people will pay exorbitant amounts for coffee beans that have been shat out by a cat…must be a great buzz from the coffee 😀!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    I doubt that's what people think about while smorting a line of coke. I also doubt it's true. By the looks of things, the vast majority is coming by boat, and wouldn't go near anyone's ass.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    yeah I’ve read about that; rather interesting indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭foxsake


    a fair point i cant deny , but i dont think i'm causing that rather the prohibition creating the black economy.

    I cant change the world by my abstinence. Some parts of the world are just sh1teholds if the Afghan warlords werent making heroin they'd be doing something else as would el chapo and his crew.

    Maybe the insta - huns shouldn't buy fast fashion cos of the slave wages in Bangladesh and on we go…

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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I’m not saying you’ll change the world by stopping of course you won’t but at the same time just because the terror spoken about isn’t on your front door doesn’t exclude its absolutely happening somewhere

    I am not opposed to decriminalising drugs and legalising some others. I don’t think coke should be legal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    The terror you mention will continue if we keep it illegal. Why not try a change of law for 2/3 years, if the pros don't outweigh the cons by then, we can revert to the current "successful" policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,989 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    because you open that door, it’s pretty impossible to close it if you need to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    We saw during Covid how easy it is for laws to be changed, also how the head shops were closed, mostly because a prominent broadcaster and his listeners didn't approve.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭foxsake


    id be in favour of legalisation , after an initial flurry I don't think the usage would be too dissimilar to what we see anyway.

    the criminal aspect would be significantly reduced - we saw this when the head shops were in vogue .

    the tax take would offer benefits to all citizen ( you'd hope)

    and if the gear was made in a proper production facility it would be of good quality and free of adulterants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    To see the scum that sell cocaine in my home town in County Limetick and the beatings they hand out to young people who are in debt , slashing of peoples hands is their recent thing if you don’t pay , I’d rather die roaring that have have any interaction with that vermin



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    weren’t head shops mainly closed because the stuff being sold in there was causing young lads to lose their minds and tear their own eyeballs out with a bad trip on the shite synthetics they sold?

    Nearly sure it’s not just because Joe Duffy didn’t like it.



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