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Current Trending 'X'/twitter eXodus | Where to? Bluesky, Threads, Mastodon or alternative?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Yep, there’s been some repeated criticism for Bluesky not being something that’s never really existed. You can’t expect a platform to guarantee civility - there’ll always be people you fundamentally disagree with, who argue in bad faith or who like to throw insults out.

    The best thing for making it a nice place for people is a robust set of blocking tools and a clear terms of service.

    I enjoy Bluesky because I only see what I’m interested in seeing for the most part - any algorithmic intervention seems to be at a minimal. It’s not overtly looking to drive engagement by showing me things to be angry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    The one thing I’ve noticed in my own experience is that since Twitter went to utter toxic garbage and after a couple of very negative experiences with being sent weird threatening DMs I’ve just given up on social media entirely.

    I hardly ever post on any of them anymore. I closed my X/Twitter account about 2 or more years ago at this stage.

    I had dropped Facebook ages ago, but left account there mostly as the only people still in my FB are older relatives and a few very non-tech savvy friends.

    Instagram just seems to be endless small businesses, people trying to sell you stuff, festivals, pitches and influencers —I find it gets very boring and TikTok would just completely melt your head. It’s addictive to scrolling if you start, but it seems time waste.

    I opened a Mastodon.ie account, got the best mobile clients etc and then just found I lost all enthusiasm for it. Nothing wrong with the vibe on that instance, but I’m just not really seeing the point in posting.

    Bluesky seems more vibrant but while I’ve an account I’ve really no intention of investing time or effort into it after what happened on X/Twitter.

    I’ve a nostalgia for that era when Twitter was useful, had a fun side and was all new and network building but I’ve really no desire to try to recreate 2012 on another platform. I don’t think it’s even possible —the world changed, people are much nastier on social media nowadays and the debate is coarse and lacks all nuance.

    I prefer being fairly anonymous and topic based on forums. Boards is still ok and Reddit can be fairly decent, beyond that I don’t use social media anymore.

    I’ve come to a conclusion that this stuff has a very negative impact on me. I take way too much of it to heart. It’s the same reason I dabbled in journalism and walked away. I know I have never bern able to do that one removed cold observation thing you need to be able to do, and there’s a limit to my ability to process it —I just get burnt out, stressed and really depressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭corkie


    Thanks @Esel for tagging 'Mike' on my post, i purposely didn't do so (I know how!), I linked to my post in a 'Bugs' thread forum post see here!

    I was looking to see, if I could find examples where the oembed was enabled on forums, found this one. But never got the activation email from the site. To test it out myself. Tried on another https://xenforo.com/ website but it wasn't activate on that website yet. And my posts are waiting to be approved for publicly shown! (Awaiting approval before being displayed publicly.)

    Edit: -

    Just tried on XenForo forums itself and the oEmbed worked. Also the oEmbed api can handle permalinks. Post was moved instantly to a test a forum and you need to be logged in to see it!

    Here is the link anyway.

    I did test what an embed post would look like on a webpage. See here.

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    What I've started to do a bit recently after seeing my Twitter timeline head in a direction I didn't like, is to start muting people I don't want to hear from. It doesn't stop others from interacting with my posts though, which is what blocking adds. But, it's definitely changing the character of what I'm getting to see.

    A lot of people who've left for Bluesky want to go further than that though as well. They don't want anyone they don't like interacting with anyone in their circle, which is what these curated block lists seem to aim to achieve. I see people complaining bitterly when certain individuals have been allowed to setup accounts on BlueSky. I think for that reason it will end up as a worse echo chamber.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Instagram just seems to be endless small businesses, people trying to sell you stuff, festivals, pitches and influencers

    On Instagram, on the app, just click on the Instagram logo at top left (though it often says 'for you'), and select the 'following' option instead. It just loads the people you're following in reverse chronological order of the posts. Cuts out the algorithm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    Yeah, still get a ton of crap from ppl I am following lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    High Linehan seems to at least partly agree with me in the IT today, talking about the case I was referring to above which I didn't name.

    He also talks about a post he put up on Twitter saying Catherine Martin was the most consequential minister for culture of the past 30 years. I'm sure he knew that would be provocative. So, I think the lady doth protest a bit much on that one. The vast majority of the ignorant and illiterate responses were directed at Martin, and not himself, as far as I can see. There's also a fair number of supportive posts and none of it was actually that bad/toxic.

    What I'd hope for in the future, is some way for AI maybe to direct readers past the ignorant and illiterate responses towards the more thoughtful ones. Even if a post provokes a blizzard of negativity, you should be able to at least find the ones that agree with the idea, or what might be the best posts for and against it. Even the ignorant/illiterate ones shouldn't be censored or ignored completely. James Joyce said he never met a boring human. While nobody has the time to check everyone's back story and you have to curate what you read, someone else might see something interesting in it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/12/18/bluesky-may-be-in-danger-of-becoming-elon-musks-black-mirror/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that case of singal is an interesting one - as far as i could see, and i didn't read a lot about it, to be fair - the bluesky team announced they would not take action against users based on their behaviour on other sites, only on bluesky itself.

    AFAIK this followed from singal announcing he was going to join bluesky to mess with the place (not his exact words, i can't remember how he phrased it), and people were furious that bluesky were going to allow someone in who had publically announced his ill will towards the site. so the overall picture wasn't a clear cut 'let's just gang up on this guy because we just don't like his opinions on trans issues'.

    i'm not saying i necessarily agree or disagree with actions taken on any side in that, but will say this - linehan hasn't exactly done an in-depth analysis of bluesky, that article looks like it was rushed off in 20 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    From Linehan's article:

    Within a few days of arriving, Singal had become the most blocked person on the platform. A petition demanding his permanent removal currently has 25,000 signatures. Blocklists have been set up which allow people not just to block him but block anyone who follows him. There is a lot of talk about safety and language-as-violence, some of it from people who actually used very violent language. It’s all very 2021-vintage Twitter.

    I knew that it worked by effectively blocking people before they even sign up, but I didn't realise that the "nuclear" blocking tools extended as far as blocking people who follow the blocked person. That fits with the whole "join the dots" philosophy of these nutters, and maybe there is something to be said for a 'safe space' where you can exclude people in that way, but it doesn't bode well for a free exchange of ideas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭McFly85


    There’s no perfect solution, but Bluesky is far better setup for more constructive conversations. Twitter has descended into a dumpster fire. There’s too many bots, too many users arguing in bad faith, too much porn to consider it remotely useful.

    Comprehensive blocking tools are necessary. Does it mean that people will just block everyone they disagree with? Sometimes, but I think people are happy to discuss with other people as long as it’s in good faith and respectful. Allowing the user to completely remove anyone derailing the thread is a good thing, even if it means that some people will end up being block happy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    No, blocking doesn't block followers. But people have created moderation lists of his followers that you can subscribe to and mute/block the people on the list.

    blockenheimer.click can also make it easy to block someone's followers/likes a certain post etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    I think the meme that was posted on the previous page of this thread put it quite well. If you want to talk crochet, or puppy calming or Kendrick's music, without being interfered with by (what some might see as) obsessive contrarians or haters, then Bluesky might be the place to do it.

    But, it's not going to be the new X. It'll never replace the dark humour, the edginess or the sharp edged commentary because all that depends on people being free to say what they want, and not being afraid of offending someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    How are people still offended or surprised by toxic or crazy people and crazy comments online?

    The Internet has been full of it now for decades at this stage.

    Are people not able to deal with it and get over it?

    It's a minor downside in an invention with so so many upsides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I agree in part. It’s definitely a lighter social media site as it’s less algorithm driven. If you only want to talk about cars then that’s all you have to see. But I would wager that you’ll still get a lot of similar things that Twitter used to have. You can say whatever you want on there(as long as you don’t break the terms of service like old Twitter), but you don’t have the right to have people listen to you. If you can post without being an àsshole then there’s little reason to be mass blocked.

    Twitter had it right for a while, I think - it was mostly a meritocracy. Popular tweets or popular accounts would get the most attention so it was driven by what users like. X never had that though, and has been woeful since Musk started running it, especially with paid priority and gutting the moderation teams. Replies are largely nonsense now and the bot problem is really noticeable. It’s been screwed with so much it’s difficult to believe that anything can go viral organically there, as Musk has it pushing his own account and accounts he has an interest in.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Who said we're surprised?

    Just because someone is not surprised (or offended) does not mean they'll willingly stay on a site where a significant proportion of the user base (or bot based!) is wilfully offensive or acting in bad faith. You can't have decent conversations in that context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,552 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I don't listen to ass holes in real life, why do you think I want to have any interaction what so ever with them online ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Not a notion what acting in bad faith means. It seems to mean that it's an opinion you don't agree with.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of this article/essay when i say it could easily be half its length - it's too wordy - but it's an interesting diatribe about how social media has been engineered to treat the users with something close to contempt.

    not just social media, the bit where he buys a cheap laptop on amazon and goes through what it took to actually get it working is interesting (search for 'acer' in the article to jump to that part).

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/never-forgive-them/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    It often is.

    As is the idea of applying a block list that somebody else came up with. Or maybe that's just tribalism, in-group/out-group stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,850 ✭✭✭plodder


    You can already mute or block anyone you want on X.

    Not sure what you would expect from a $233 laptop. Most people would spend more than that on their phones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Thanked Macfly's post above.

    Then as a bluesky newbie ( a fortnight there ) I have to give the following rather bleak outlook:

    The trolls and scammers have mostly migrated their en$hitification business model to bluesky from twitter x.

    Taking an analogy from a radio 1 garden program years ago with Gerry Daly, take bluesky as a young tree. This tree suffers from a disease but still is overall in good shape Bluesky is beginning to show signs of scammers and trolls, but remains feisty for the moment.

    Unfortunately bluesky could easily end up as Google+ - and I notice that one of blueskys selling points is that of a forum for techies and geeks just like Google+ advertised.

    I will leave bluesky before this becomes totally obvious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,761 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Is this a sheep thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭corkie


    As in below?

    What does it mean if someone is like a sheep?
    From Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English like sheep if people behave like sheep, they do not think independently, but follow what everyone else does or thinks Tourists were led around like sheep, from shrine to souvenir shop.

    I have been on bluesky since well before creating this thread, and waiting for it to get traction with Irish people etc. So haven't really follow others to arrive on it.

    Have had good interactions with developers of utilities for it, and getting suggested changes/improvements made to them.

    Got a email reply on the 24th from a TD, who I enquired (on the 11th) had they joined the platform by 'Sending a message' on his website. I sometimes like to verify accounts by other means.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,651 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I think it’s more like this corkie:

    On the Move

     – Sheep will follow a leader. If you can get one sheep moving, then the rest will most likely follow. Leaders tend to be the most dominant sheep in the flock. Sheep will also follow someone they trust and know. Sheep are hesitant to move towards the dark or into an enclosed area. For instance, if you need to move them into the barn at night, turn on the barn light and they will more easily follow you in. 

    https://www.livingwithgotlands.com/2018/07/five-things-you-should-know-about-sheep-behavior/


    I dunno if that actually is what the poster means, but having witnessed the way you’ve kinda led the way for people to get involved in BlueSky and given all sorts of helpful information, advice and direction as to where to start and where to go, I can kinda see the parallels 😁

    Fair play though, is all I can think. It’s not for me but at the same time I can’t help but admire your advocacy 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    I'm gone from bluesky now, deleted my profile.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I have seen very little troll or spammer action on bluesky so far, I must say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    Can't say I've seen very much either. It's obviously not going to be perfect, but it's at least trying to run as a better platform. X is deliberately creating that toxic environment. It's not just happening by accident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Jim Herring


    Is this the new ‘Threads’?

    Rapid growth in user count seems to have stalled: 25,889,848 so less than 1m new users in the last 16 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,766 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Provided there's engagement I can see ebbs and flows in growth. Musk also isn't done yet in terms of creating scandals. I'd say it's Twitter has seen a substantial drop in terms of usage in the last while and that isn't gonna stop imho.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    I'd rather Bluesky than Threads - I could do with out Meta.



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