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Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Ah now you have to be very careful about labelling people here these days. I would suggest that if you read through the thread and take note of those posters who say that there is "no evidence" that Bailey committed this murder, then you will have found members of the "pro-Bailey" brigade. There`s quite a few of them about and they say "no evidence" regularly. Such a fundamental denial of reality means that they are here to bat for their man and the last thing on their mind is justice for Sophie and her family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Vast majority of posters here over the last 6 months are only saying that there’s not enough evidence to convict Bailey to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt- nothing more. I’m one of those posters. If new evidence was uncovered that would point significantly to Baileys guilt I’d happily support it.
    But with no DNA, no eyewitness (unless you count the ever changing stories of Marie Farrell ) no clear motive (unless you include the dreamed up motive of sex by the Gardai) and an alibi that has been to date, impossible to disprove and some reported “confessions” that could easily be mistaken for sarcasm, then yes, the level of evidence against Bailey amounts to a big fat zero right now.

    The Gardai have wasted millions of taxpayers money on investigating one man when there were multiple other people , some of who committed suicide or died not long after the murder, that could well have been considered equally or even more worthy of concentrated investigation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Which is it ?

    "Not enough evidence to convict bailey"

    Or level of evidence is a " big fat zero"

    And your past paragraph is nothing more than the usual wild speculation

    You have no way of knowing any of that to be true

    And on it goes ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Both actually -not enough evidence to convict - zero credible evidence

    And the people who are “pro-Bailey “ are who again?

    Thought so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Ya right

    Whoever said the motive was sex

    I don't recall the " gardai " saying this was the motive

    I've said many times there's a whole range of options besides sex that can draw a man to a woman like Sophie

    Especially a man known to be obsessive and drunk that nite

    Note Bailey's subsequent obsession with another French journalist



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    There isn't enough credible evidence tying Bailey to the murder. That's just a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Yes but he's still the likely killer imo

    The logic round here is to ignore him and go off chasing other persons such as Alfie

    There isn't a damn thing linking Alfie to the murder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The whole discussion has too much turned into a "pro Bailey" and "anti Bailey" group. I'd rather turn it to a "evidence beyond reasonable doubt" vs a pointless "Bailey did it, regardless of every lack of evidence".

    Even if Marie Farrell's story was true, it would also not be evidence for murder. It could have been any of us being out for a breath of fresh air and a good distance away from the murder site, but still it wouldn't be enough to convict for murder. It just shows how desperate the Guards were to frame Bailey and even how dumb they were. Why didn't the Guards coerce somebody else to state that they've seen Bailey murder Sophie? They could have had enough on somebody else to be coerced? Maybe Bolger, Hellens or Alfie? Why precisely coerce Marie Farrell? Was she the easier victim for the Guards to be coerced because she was cheating or possibly cheating on her husband, and would give in to the Guard's demands easier?

    I think the cold case review should also include the motivation for the Guards to coerce Marie Farrell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Whos saying Bailey did it, not me anyhow

    I merely believe he probably killed her

    "Evidence beyond reasonable doubt" has no relevance on this thread

    We are not in the business of proving anything here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭FishOnABike




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭champchamp


    I keep an open mind, although the circumstantial evidence does seem to point towards Bailey (even if a some of it is unreliable and would not stand up in court).

    Did Bailey ever explain why he bought bleach (if he did in fact buy bleach)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Bjsc shed some expert light on the discussion

    Not a random caller in her opinion

    Baileys subsequent obsession with another French journalist was interesting Of course this was immediately shot down by the pro-bailey camp

    Some posters have an obsession with sex as a motive for bailey calling

    That's a very blinkered view of obsession

    Bailey was described as not a promiscuous person by an acquaintance

    I don't believe for a moment he went up there with a raging hardon as some would have you believe if he was the killer

    Talk of sex crime is a distraction here . It's not in dispute this wasn't a sex crime as no rape or sexual assault took place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    bjsc also considered the evidence pointed to the early morning as more likely time of the murder which would have made it less likely it was Ian Bailey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    I'd like to see the relevant quote on that to confirm

    My memory is that morning was an option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    The logic actually appears to be that the Gardai messed up the investigation by focusing solely on one man. Who else is doing that in this thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    The fact that this wasn't a sex crime is a red herring thrown out there by the people Bailey camp to discredit the gardai and the bailey theory

    I don't believe for a moment he went up there with the idea of having sex as a primary motive

    In any event even if the did circumstances dictated that this didn't occur



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    The logic is that the gardai messed up the investigation and they got the wrong man

    I concur with the first but not the second

    And merely believe that Bailey likely killed her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    Nope, it's what I said if you actually read what people are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    No

    Discussion on Bailey is shot down and posters here are gone off in a different direction

    From the media leaks however it appears that Bailey is the focus of the CCR

    Of course this is now a conspiracy orchestrated by the garda commissioner and Michael Martin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    I can read, thanks. I know what I see. Welcome to my ignore list.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I could also never think of a sexual motive for Bailey. He had Jules for any intimacies, as far as we know he also never cheated on her, also he probably also didn't even know that Sophie was at her cottage just before Christmas.

    There are only a handful of people who knew with a level of certainty that Sophie was at her cottage and that she was alone there. The Ungerers, her husband, Finbarr Hellens and Josie, Alfie and Shirley, probably one or the other publican as well. Most likely not even Leo Bolger or the German musician. Not even sure if Bruno would have known about the trip to Ireland? ( I think she asked him to come? Also some other friends she asked in France? )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It's nice to see that the investigation team have looked into all the conspiracy theories and as expected, have found them to be nonsense. I know some are very unhappy about it but yet again, after a full investigation, Bailey is the leading suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Bailey who professed indifference to knowledge of Sophie had an obsession with another French journalist subsequently

    Of course this was immediately shot down because Maloney was associated with it and never discussed here again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭tibruit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    And that was the obvious motive for the killing of Sophie. The motive that Bailey himself spoke of. He new of her, he saw her in Skull, he thought of her on the night and went up to see if he could sleep with her. She rejected him and he lost control. It has been the most likely motive for a few decades now and the revelations about this other French journalist backs it up further. Like you've said, some have tried to dismiss this motive for some reason. Obviously, the current team investigating the case haven't dismissed it and are in fact, still seeing it as the most likely scenario that occurred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Doesn`t make it less likely. The first time Bailey was asked at what time he turned up with that cup of coffee in Jules Thomas`s bedroom he answered 11 AM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Its at least relevant to the discussion that Bailey had a propensity for obsession

    I had always disbelieved Bailey when he minimized his awareness of Sophie

    He stated that he may have seen her once briefly through a window. It seemed to me to be a lie.

    This is borne out by the many accounts of Bailey knowing Sophie

    There was approx 4-6 accounts of Bailey knowing Sophie listed here , which I don't have to hand before the question is asked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    Making up any old rubbish counts as evidence, it seems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Alfie was 90%

    Bolger said they met ?

    The French guy and more

    All shot down and discredited here



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