Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Ah now you have to be very careful about labelling people here these days. I would suggest that if you read through the thread and take note of those posters who say that there is "no evidence" that Bailey committed this murder, then you will have found members of the "pro-Bailey" brigade. There`s quite a few of them about and they say "no evidence" regularly. Such a fundamental denial of reality means that they are here to bat for their man and the last thing on their mind is justice for Sophie and her family.
Vast majority of posters here over the last 6 months are only saying that there’s not enough evidence to convict Bailey to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt- nothing more. I’m one of those posters. If new evidence was uncovered that would point significantly to Baileys guilt I’d happily support it. But with no DNA, no eyewitness (unless you count the ever changing stories of Marie Farrell ) no clear motive (unless you include the dreamed up motive of sex by the Gardai) and an alibi that has been to date, impossible to disprove and some reported “confessions” that could easily be mistaken for sarcasm, then yes, the level of evidence against Bailey amounts to a big fat zero right now.
The Gardai have wasted millions of taxpayers money on investigating one man when there were multiple other people , some of who committed suicide or died not long after the murder, that could well have been considered equally or even more worthy of concentrated investigation
Which is it ?
"Not enough evidence to convict bailey"
Or level of evidence is a " big fat zero"
And your past paragraph is nothing more than the usual wild speculation
You have no way of knowing any of that to be true
And on it goes ...
Both actually -not enough evidence to convict - zero credible evidence
And the people who are “pro-Bailey “ are who again?
Thought so
Ya right
Whoever said the motive was sex
I don't recall the " gardai " saying this was the motive
I've said many times there's a whole range of options besides sex that can draw a man to a woman like Sophie
Especially a man known to be obsessive and drunk that nite
Note Bailey's subsequent obsession with another French journalist
There isn't enough credible evidence tying Bailey to the murder. That's just a fact.
Yes but he's still the likely killer imo
The logic round here is to ignore him and go off chasing other persons such as Alfie
There isn't a damn thing linking Alfie to the murder
The whole discussion has too much turned into a "pro Bailey" and "anti Bailey" group. I'd rather turn it to a "evidence beyond reasonable doubt" vs a pointless "Bailey did it, regardless of every lack of evidence".
Even if Marie Farrell's story was true, it would also not be evidence for murder. It could have been any of us being out for a breath of fresh air and a good distance away from the murder site, but still it wouldn't be enough to convict for murder. It just shows how desperate the Guards were to frame Bailey and even how dumb they were. Why didn't the Guards coerce somebody else to state that they've seen Bailey murder Sophie? They could have had enough on somebody else to be coerced? Maybe Bolger, Hellens or Alfie? Why precisely coerce Marie Farrell? Was she the easier victim for the Guards to be coerced because she was cheating or possibly cheating on her husband, and would give in to the Guard's demands easier?
I think the cold case review should also include the motivation for the Guards to coerce Marie Farrell.
Whos saying Bailey did it, not me anyhow
I merely believe he probably killed her
"Evidence beyond reasonable doubt" has no relevance on this thread
We are not in the business of proving anything here
Not only Marie Farrell but also Martin Graham
https://www.newstalk.com/news/exbritish-soldier-who-claims-detectives-gave-him-cannabis-in-order-to-get-close-to-ian-bailey-674879
I keep an open mind, although the circumstantial evidence does seem to point towards Bailey (even if a some of it is unreliable and would not stand up in court).
Did Bailey ever explain why he bought bleach (if he did in fact buy bleach)?
Bjsc shed some expert light on the discussion
Not a random caller in her opinion
Baileys subsequent obsession with another French journalist was interesting Of course this was immediately shot down by the pro-bailey camp
Some posters have an obsession with sex as a motive for bailey calling
That's a very blinkered view of obsession
Bailey was described as not a promiscuous person by an acquaintance
I don't believe for a moment he went up there with a raging hardon as some would have you believe if he was the killer
Talk of sex crime is a distraction here . It's not in dispute this wasn't a sex crime as no rape or sexual assault took place
bjsc also considered the evidence pointed to the early morning as more likely time of the murder which would have made it less likely it was Ian Bailey.
I'd like to see the relevant quote on that to confirm
My memory is that morning was an option
The logic actually appears to be that the Gardai messed up the investigation by focusing solely on one man. Who else is doing that in this thread?
The fact that this wasn't a sex crime is a red herring thrown out there by the people Bailey camp to discredit the gardai and the bailey theory
I don't believe for a moment he went up there with the idea of having sex as a primary motive
In any event even if the did circumstances dictated that this didn't occur
The logic is that the gardai messed up the investigation and they got the wrong man
I concur with the first but not the second
And merely believe that Bailey likely killed her
Nope, it's what I said if you actually read what people are saying.
No
Discussion on Bailey is shot down and posters here are gone off in a different direction
From the media leaks however it appears that Bailey is the focus of the CCR
Of course this is now a conspiracy orchestrated by the garda commissioner and Michael Martin
I can read, thanks. I know what I see. Welcome to my ignore list.
Nice argument there buddy
I could also never think of a sexual motive for Bailey. He had Jules for any intimacies, as far as we know he also never cheated on her, also he probably also didn't even know that Sophie was at her cottage just before Christmas.
There are only a handful of people who knew with a level of certainty that Sophie was at her cottage and that she was alone there. The Ungerers, her husband, Finbarr Hellens and Josie, Alfie and Shirley, probably one or the other publican as well. Most likely not even Leo Bolger or the German musician. Not even sure if Bruno would have known about the trip to Ireland? ( I think she asked him to come? Also some other friends she asked in France? )
It's nice to see that the investigation team have looked into all the conspiracy theories and as expected, have found them to be nonsense. I know some are very unhappy about it but yet again, after a full investigation, Bailey is the leading suspect.
Bailey who professed indifference to knowledge of Sophie had an obsession with another French journalist subsequently
Of course this was immediately shot down because Maloney was associated with it and never discussed here again
He did buy the bleach.
And that was the obvious motive for the killing of Sophie. The motive that Bailey himself spoke of. He new of her, he saw her in Skull, he thought of her on the night and went up to see if he could sleep with her. She rejected him and he lost control. It has been the most likely motive for a few decades now and the revelations about this other French journalist backs it up further. Like you've said, some have tried to dismiss this motive for some reason. Obviously, the current team investigating the case haven't dismissed it and are in fact, still seeing it as the most likely scenario that occurred.
Doesn`t make it less likely. The first time Bailey was asked at what time he turned up with that cup of coffee in Jules Thomas`s bedroom he answered 11 AM.
Its at least relevant to the discussion that Bailey had a propensity for obsession
I had always disbelieved Bailey when he minimized his awareness of Sophie
He stated that he may have seen her once briefly through a window. It seemed to me to be a lie.
This is borne out by the many accounts of Bailey knowing Sophie
There was approx 4-6 accounts of Bailey knowing Sophie listed here , which I don't have to hand before the question is asked
Making up any old rubbish counts as evidence, it seems.
Alfie was 90%
Bolger said they met ?
The French guy and more
All shot down and discredited here
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