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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    Refs miss things, it's a fast paced game and they can't see everything. Home team bias happens. But the TMO has time to review things and there's no excuse for being biased other than blatant favouritism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Strand1970


    100% agree, I would never blame the ref as there is 30 lads on the pitch looking to influence a decision and the ref is only human. But TMO as you said is away from the action their emotion and should per like a judge of law impartial. But hey we are selling a product and leinster are box office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭exiledawaynothere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭foxyladyxx


    Why not take your defeat on the chin. Connacht are a good side. I fully expected them to win tonight but it didn't go there way. Plenty to improve upon and plenty great performances were on display as well.

    I thought Cathal Forde would shine as I really rate him and Prendergast Senior had a great showing. Mack Hansen had what must have been a very frustrating game for him. I think he was well marked.

    Good match though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    No problem taking the loss on the chin. We are pretty experienced in that regard.

    Doesn't mean we can't highlight an issue that is a blight on the league.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Even Hansen didn't say refereeing cost us the game. There's no sore loserism about it. That Barrett incident was a key moment, should've been at least reviewed and Hansen highlighted that this happens regularly to Connacht. This obviously has led to a lot of frustration on his part and makes it tougher for Connacht to compete but he certainly made no allusions to it costing Connacht results.

    I've zero doubts that pundits and the media will blow his comments out of proportion to ensure that nobody else gets an ideas of speaking out in future. I wish more of the rugby fraternity spoke as passionately as Mack has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Strand1970


    Neutral pundits will look at the game and see connacht's questioned tackles were video reviewed and leinster's were not. Even leinster fans will acknowledge that hit on Aki should be atleast reviewed by the ref to rule it was not in question. If not maybe connacht players should copy leinsters behaviour and delay the game and queastion everything like soccer until the ref is bullied into reviewing it. I would hate to see connacht going down to that low level but if that what works for leinster sure we would be fools not to work the system rhe same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Lancey Howard


    Despite the disappointment of yesterday evening, I think we can look forward to the rest of the season with some confidence. If we can get some control and authority at 10 and otherwise continue the form of recent matches, then a top 6-8 finish should be very achievable. We have 5 home fixtures left and can go into each with a reasonable hope of success: Ulster, Cardiff, Benetton, Munster and Edinburgh, all teams close to us in the table; 5 away: Glasgow and two in South Africa, which will be tough, and Ospreys and Zebre, which should be winnable. Also we could have a good run in the Challenge Cup, depending on which teams come down from the Champions Cup, as with a home draw we should be confident against any of the teams in our section.

    We now have depth in most positions and plenty of competition for places, and should be able to withstand the loss of players to 6N, not least as controversy alert it seems to me that Bundee for Ireland > Bundee for Connacht. We have good cover at TH, back row and wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Joma4good


    Gutted not to take a losing bonus point from that but also some real positives, Cian Prendergast is definitely as close as Ireland have to a like for like replacement for O’Mahoney on current form, Josh Murphy has a good bit of dog in him, don’t think anyone in URC has gotten under the skin of Snyman quite so effectively this season. Nice to see the physicality in second half, needed that earlier. Connacht line out created loads of pressure on the Leinster throw as well, shame to muck up the two most important ones on our ball. I wonder if Tector could be enticed as an option going forward at 10 for Connacht, can’t see him getting enough game time in Leinster at 13, on not much evidence I’d still rather him than H. Byrne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    another disappointing performance by Bundee at Connacht. Also had hoped for better from Forde at 10. And is it my imagination or is Murphy just slowing everything down at 9 after a promising start to the season.

    Lots of positives. Boyle was immense again. Josh Murphy a beast. Leinster lineout disrupted.

    But nothing from that disruption suggests lack of ideas



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭kita99


    I think that IRFU has huge accountability for Barrett issue. Last Friday,O'Toole of Ulster receive Red (about 31min) because of 'high hit'. It looked almost same situation like Barrett's play. What the difference is between O'Toole and Barrett? Add on it , I want to know one more thing. In the same Ulster match, they were conceded a penalty because of 'horrizontal tackling'(about 21min from KO). At the next night, Barrett tackled Connacht player while (with) obviously lifting and droppingat 4th quarter. But game played on without nothing. Then he received POM after the match. angry of Hansen seems quite reasonable. Now this news and video are diffused worldwide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Tom Otooles red card was not for a high hit. It was for a dangerous clearout where he landed on the exposed leg of Nankivell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭kita99


    Thank you very much. And is it heavier than high hit in dangerous level ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭foxyladyxx


    There is no clear footage of a contact from Jrdo Barrett's head hence why no card was given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Cherryson


    That is a lie!

    Wait a minute! Do you think the law is that there should be no head on head contact?

    There is clear video of Barrett's shoulder striking Bundee's head with force. Penalty and yellow or red card depending on the severity of the impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,051 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It's happening

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Number 137


    I think there is a certain irony to Mack Hansen complaining about referees not being fair on Connacht the week after they played down in Perpignan and were steeped to not have a player binned for persistent infringing. Hansen is a cracking player, but has always had a big mouth and rarely has anything particularly insightful to offer, other than 'banter'. I get that he is frustrated, but players are emotionally tied to decisions as well as having a vested interest in them. They are never/rarely impartial. To say that Connacht are specifically singled out by referees is nonsense. All teams are at the receiving end of poor decisions from time to time. Maybe Connacht should focus on themselves instead of scapegoating match officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭kita99


    I wonder why Wilkins don't use M.Devine who has had excellent winnig rate (U20-6N, EI in this year, URC matches=except against Munster that he got injury at 1st half). Maybe he is stronger at the real match than the practice imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Very true. Hansen has a bit of the Aussie yobbo about him. Quick with the banter, the sledging and the whinging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭lavrenti


    Maybe you should return home to the Leinster site now you've imparted your pearls of wisdom here.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 43,378 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Gas it's a near-criminal offense to criticise referees but we allude to lads being yobbos. The rugby ethos is alive and well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    I can see both sides of the Hansen rant debate.

    Free speech on one side and my experience as a ref on the other. Think the compromise is constructive feedback.

    I always try to take feedback after a game from both players but if they just rant at you, it's walk away time. They have to be prepared to listen to me as much as I have to be prepared to listen to them.

    So, think players should be allowed to give opinions on refs at press conferences or directly to the ref after game but if it is going to happen at a press conference, someone should be there to challenge them so that if they start ranting they are called out quickly. Think this would represent a balance between free speech, constructive feedback and respecting players and refs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,845 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Hansen showed with his rant that he hates losing and that's a good thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Buzzer can't defend himself.

    Solo run from Mack, but no, just no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭kita99


    Do rugby children worldwide study from Barrett that cheating (play) is allowed if it is overlooked (intentionally or not) or twisted by the officials (in the case that even there is obvious evidence). URC must consider it. Hansen is one of whistle blower for rugby system( especially IRFU) who is protected by internatinal law in many developed countries. His opinion has clear evidence (video), so I think URC maybe cannot win in the internatinal court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    It's one thing for a ref to miss things, and we have to understand that one person with 30 players running around is going to miss things. One ref and two assistants are also going to miss things. However, the TMO shouldn't be missing things that are obvious. And tmo should be consistent in what they show to the ref for review.

    I think refs get a lot of abuse that is probably meant for the officiating team but directed at one person



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    I dont know where you are going with the international law stuff but if Hansen wanted to make a point, he should have had his research done. He accused the ref/tmo of ignoring direct head contact on Ioane yet the replays show the main impact was Ioanes head hitting the ground.

    The Barrett incident, the decision was wrong. But Barrett was playing the game by getting involved in a ruck. I don't for a second belive there was any intent from Barrett other then trying to secure quick ruck ball.

    Jennings was carded for deliberately taking Luke McGrath out after he had kicked the ball, the ref was going to wave play on.

    Refs are human, TMO are human and camera angles aren't always conclusive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Its not a lie. The footage appears to show Barrett impacting Aki shoulder on shoulder with subsequent contact to the head as he drove through. I have not seen any video where the point of impact is conclusively shown as shoulder to head.

    Is it definite that the TMO didn't look at it, nonetheless? The TMO reviews multiple incidents in a game without bringing same to refs attention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    It is also worth noting that the audio feed between the officials is also available in both coaching boxes, ie; any conversation between Ref & ARs & TMO regarding Barretts actions were heard live by the Connacht coaching team. So by the time the post match interview was held Wilkins would have known whether or not the incident was reviewed by TMO Mark Patten. Yet he didn't intervene when Mack commented.



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