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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Not so much a danger to cyclists as a danger to anyone on foot, pedal, car… the current epidemic of Motorcycle joyriding in Dublin city centre and suburbs, of which the Gardai seem absolutely powerless to tackle head on. Anytime I see one of these I try and avoid like the plague by pulling into the side of the road, esp. if there's 2 scrotes on board so one can jump off and try grab your bike…

    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/1219/1487271-like-mad-max-joyriders-bringing-danger-and-fear-to-dublin/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I've seen first hand how hard it is to get drunk drivers banned after being arrested. Can take years and years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    The parents buy the little darlings small type scramblers for Christmas when they are young so the kids have no chance really as they are brought/dragged up to believe it's all fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭nilhg


    This is taking the Xmas spirit a bit far I think..

    https://www.kildarenow.com/news/home/1686956/latest-dozens-of-motorists-caught-at-kildare-speed-trap-have-cases-thrown-out-by-judge.html

    The street view is here, but what the Judge doesn't say is that there is a busy junction just down the way at the turn for Portarlington

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/dM8n7AKx8mTa6REB6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Truly bizarre that a judge can overrule the statutory authorities like this. Can GoSafe or AGS appeal I wonder?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    The judges implications that they are targeting the area as some sort of fish in a barrel trope is just ridiculous and inflammatory. There are more fines there because more people speed there, simples. It may be targetted in that I imagine they are given guidance that if a certain stretch sees high compliance to lower the number of hours in that area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I’m sure he’s always the first to offer his thoughts and prayers. Obscene, really. That’s what you’re up against when you just want to go out for a nice walk, run or cycle - motorists who think they own the roads enabled in their behaviour by decision makers whose job it is to protect the vulnerable and legislate for a fairer, safer and progressive system. It’s probably not a stretch to say that the judge was thinking of himself when he heard those cases. Another example of why the average Garda couldn’t be arsed breaking a sweat to prosecute RTA offences.

    Will the legislature do anything about it? Don’t hold your breath



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Jesus, did anyone actually read the link? The judge didn't pull his reasoning out of his arse, the senior roads engineer recommended that the section be increased to 100kph in 2021. His job is to weigh guilt against unfair application of the law and found KCC in dereliction of their duty to increase the speed limit, hats off to him. Some seem to think that drivers who exceed the limit in these situations are the same ones who speed dangerously in others causing accidents, this is just nonsense. Note the judge convicted those who were driving 80kph or above, no argument with that.

    The RSA gets correctly lambasted on here for blaming anything and everything to do with speed and shur reducing it everywhere is the be all and end all to ending road fatalities. One look at the dash cam thread shows this to be a fallacy and that it's far more likely due to inattentiveness, aggression/frustration, or more often than not sheer stupidity.

    In fact I don't know why they don't simply have a collection of said cams in their advertising campaigns, would be far more effective.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭nilhg


    As you come into Monasterevin from Portlaoise the road in question goes quickly from an 80km/hr limit to 60 then 50, at the same time the road narrows quickly for the bridge over the canal where there is now a pedestrian crossing for the Blueway. A little further up the road is the old Hazel Hotel which is now home to some asylum seekers and their families who walk in and out to the town on the footpath which is on the opposite side of the road.

    A senior engineer who suggests 100km/hr approaching there wants a quick kick in the hole and to be put out to grass….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭khamilton


    He did pull his reasoning out of his arse.

    KCC don't have a duty to increase the speed limits. They don't have a duty to pay due heed/consider the recommendations of a senior engineer.


    A District Court judge can't unilaterally decide that people are allowed to break the law because, in his view, the law was unfair for reasons that had nothing to do with legislation.


    His reasoning is effectively "ah shur so many people speed here that the limit should be higher, even though people have previously died here in RTAs". That isn't a legal position, it's a **** district court judge abusing his position.

    Nowhere in legislation/case law does it say "Drivers should assume the speed limit based on the width of the traffic lanes and whether or not a hard shoulder exists". Yet, this Judge is arguing that Drivers can be 'forgiven' for assuming a speed limit for just such, despite road signs saying otherwise.


    Does that mean we can all ignore temporary speed limits? Does that mean we can all drive at 100km/h on any road that has 8m wide lanes and hard shoulders, even if its outside a school? Because that's what the Judge is arguing.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭cletus


    There should probably be a law where they can shunt cars out of the way. Similar to the way firefighters in New York can break the windows of cars parked beside fire hydrants so as to access water



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Judge:

    “While I accept that the townland of Clogheen has historically been the location of fatalities and this should be one of the factors to be taken into account, in determining the location of speed checks, I have come to the conclusion that the huge number of prosecutions by GoSafe for the 60kph zone in Clogheen has absolutely nothing to do with criminality and little to do with road safety and are driven not by safety but by targets, statistics and finance,” said Judge Cody. 

    Prosecutions that are driven by targets, statistics and finance have no place in this Court and bring the administration of Justice into disrepute. I have come to the conclusion that GoSafe deliberately targeted an unjust speed zone in the townland of Clogheen where there were rich pickings and as the saying goes they were “shooting fish in a barrel”,” he added. 

    Go Safe get no more money for hitting targets. They have set hours to hit and that is it, with predetermined locations randomly assigned.

    Clogheen has had numerous fatalities and is a suitable and prime location for a speed van. If someone is speeding and driving without such care and attention on that road they could not slow down in time, they are not only speeding but driving without the prerequisite care and attention that should be a minimum standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    ”county engineer”… this the same body of professionals who stand over our roads and cycling infrastructure? The same lot who stand over the likes of the speed bumps in Ashford, even after a fatality caused by their lack of meeting any standards?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Magilla Gorilla


    I’d be surprised if the people who were fined didn’t appeal. They all broke the speed limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    See this a lot in virtually every housing estate up and down the country. I'm not convinced it's a "couldn't give a hoot" mentality, but more of a lack of basic awareness. Shame it has the same result though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    In our estate they just block 100% of the footpath and leave the road free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,902 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Eek, how many hit&runs has that been this past while? Using cars as weapons against pedestrians becoming the norm now, or is it still 'accident'



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    every second serious incident seems to be a hit and run now…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Browsing various news sites (as I often do), I happened upon one which had these stories on their homepage ...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Sadly a second person had died. That's three alone dead over the last week within a stonesthrow where I live, pretty scary



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Seemingly the two killed were a married couple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    That's tragic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Carnage on the roads… meh/ shrug/ carry on/ thoughts and prayers… meanwhile the internet will lose its s**t at news that someone on an e-scooter almost collided with someone. I’d say Pat Kenny choked on a Brussels Sprout when he read about it…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Another pedestrian killed this evening 😞

    https://www.thejournal.ie/woman-pedesttrian-killed-carlow-n80-6581901-Dec2024/

    FFS is anything actually being done to stop it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,416 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    yep…more hi-viz…calls for pedestrians to be more aware of their surroundings and ban all e/scooters and bikes!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Screenshot_2024-12-28-09-50-26-324_com.google.android.apps.maps.jpg

    That's not a section of road I'd like to walk in the dark.

    Th extent of townsland on N80 is only 1km, but it's inhospitable place for pedestrians.



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