Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Violence on this island in the aftermath of independence was inevitable, no matter what the powers in be did or didn't do.

There was partition, and we had a civil war as a result. If there was no partition, there would also have been a civil war, but with different parties. What does that mean? It means that your silly claim that those in power are responsible for war and conflict is completely nonsense. Conflict is caused by people taking part. A government has democratic legitimacy and has a responsibility to keep order, sometimes that will require the use of violence. Sometimes that will go too far - Bloody Sunday - and those responsible have to pay a price. However, non-state actors such as Sinn Fein and the PIRA have no such democratic legitimacy, never have it actually, and the full responsibility for violence falls on them, when they take part in it.

The British government have taken responsibility for Bloody Sunday, quite rightly, but they are not the cause of violence in the North, they are not responsible in any way for the actions of Sinn Fein and the PIRA, that is fully on those members of those organisations who committed acts of violence. All of them deserve to be brought to justice at some point.

Sinn Fein, the PIRA and Gerry Adams had little to do with the GFA. The vast amount of credit goes to people like Albert Reynolds and John Hume who started the road to peace, and to the British and Irish governments for delivering it in the face of provocation from the violent thugs on either side who sought to resist it. A tiny amount of credit goes to those violent thugs for stopping being violent thugs in the name of "politics". Of course, those of the violent thugs who kept going, or who maintained their protection rackets, kneecapping, protection of child abusers and other salubrious activities deserve no credit. Look at Adams, whose actions in the years up to and after the GFA in relation to many such issues deserves no credit. History will not look kindly on Gerry Adams, who will be recognised for the person that he is.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2010/01/16/liam-adams-timeline/

This is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29786451

This is another.

How can someone claim credit for working for peace in the years up until 1998, when these timelines clearly show what he was at in the time leading up to the GFA and subsequently?

Huge credit to those who held their noses and dealt with this type of person and brought peace. Imagine a serial killer who killed 20 people, handed himself in to the gardai, and stopped killing people. Would you give him credit for that?

You know that isn't what I was saying, why do you continually make things up?

You claimed that a report came from the government, it didn't, it was part-authored by your colleague Niall O'Donnghail. The possibilities are that you didn't understand the difference between the Oireachtas and the Government or you were trolling me. Here is your lie again, claiming that the report was the government's version of historical facts.

You have now been caught out multiple times posting lies.

I wasn't the one presenting my opinion as being the government-endorsed opinion in a faux attempt to discredit others.

I stand over my version, you can differ, @FrancieBrady can differ, but neither of you can pass off that document as being some official record. That is a report of a committee and has as much validity as any other one, most of which are never seen or heard from again after being written.

No bold or capitals this time.

Another long day at the cold face. All of this has been discussed with you multiple times, the information has all been provided already and we all seen the childish bold letter and capitals all before.

It's another day of Francie going around and around in circles on the exact same topic ignoring every other discussion with information provided, which you ignore and go off on the same tangent. Give it a weke and you will be off down the same rabbit hole

So in terms of providing "back up" it is pointless with you becuase you spin the exact same bullsh*t and nonsense on every topic and then when information and facts are provided you ignore and go back to the previous topic to post the exact same bullsh*t and nonsense again.

The main reason the GFA agreement happened was becuase of FF, Labour and the US involvement. SF as we have seen before and since are too busy bickering with everyone and of course protecting paedofiles and criminals to worry about the people on the street and what they want. The glorious failure of SF in Northern Ireland since the GFA agreement again proves they are totally useles.

Now you can take out the crayons again. Im sure this will come around again in a week or two again

No point making reference to anything on the SF website, Im sure they are due another purge soon and history change

That is nothing compared to the send-off that MLMD gave to Niall O'Donnghaile.

I hold the opinion that Sinn Fein deserve no credit for the GFA, all they did was stop supporting terrorist acts (in essence that means they had nothing to do with the GFA). That is backed up by the facts of events I have presented and the timelines. I also went on to point out that after the GFA, they kept up the rest of their nefarious acts, kneecappings, punishment beatings and protecting child abusers, and I gave timeline examples to show that was so.

Again I ask, do you think that a serial killer who gives up serial killing and hands himself into Gardai deserves any credit for doing so? I don't.

Address the points I make, not the points you think I make.

You are telling lies again. This is what I posted in post 11577:

"Those who continued with violence after the Downing Street Declaration deserve zero credit for any peace, simple as that. Those who continued with the peace plan - the British and Irish governments - are those who deserve all the credit for the peace. The Irish people who gave up their cherished territorial claim for a united Ireland also deserve huge credit."

This is what I posted in post 11581:

"Sinn Fein and the PIRA deserve whatever credit anyone deserves for stopping killing people. In my opinion, those who had a habit of terrorist crimes and then stopped those terrorist crimes deserve a tiny tiny modicum of credit, and there should never be any celebration or commemoration of their activities while there is living memory of their actions."

There are several other posts where I post about little credit being due to Sinn Fein and the PIRA for the GFA. You are lying again and again.

Produce the post with the words you have directly quoted and put them in their context.