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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭DrumcDub1


    Hi folks,

    Can anyone recommend an EV charger installer? Bought a new build which has plenty of ducts so want to see what my options are to have an EV charger installed. Based on Dublin for what it's worth!

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    What EV do you have?

    Do you have solar panels?

    Do you have an instant shower like Triton or a heat pump?

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭DrumcDub1


    Have access to them via work, and yes have solar panels and heat pump! Thanks for response

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,538 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    There is a huge thread here already:

    I suggest read back through the most recent 5 or 6 pages as there are always recommendations given in that thread. I've a MyEnergi Zappi installed about 12 months ago by Nigel Daly. Nice, tidy job and no issues with it to date.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Cable going through the attic - our fuse board is in the utility room at the back of the house but I wanted the charger at the front.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Using the correct isolator, which it looks like, the feed should be in from the bottom. It's about safety more than looks. Cable runs through the attic aren't allowed either. I was told this from my installer.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    You know there's a reason I stopped sharing photos on Boards, always folk waiting to correct everything



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Why are cable runs not allowed through the attic space? Sounds silly. I’d suspect your installer was trying to avoid something.

    This would also prohibit PV cable runs etc if true. Which I don’t think it is.

    Obviously the cable needs to be fixed to the structure/rafters etc as per the requirements of IS10101. Same for PV cable. Also every light fitting will be wired from cables ran through the attic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    He wasn't avoiding anything, why is everyone here so suspicious? There was never any need to go near my attic I was just talking to him about installs in general when he was tidying up and how the regulations were continually changing. His company didn't allow them to go into the attic space and at that time (2021) it was practically impossible to get the go ahead to install anything in the meter box.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No suspicious, in fairness you started off by posting "did he go through the attic" which led to the next poist where you stated they are not allowed.

    Id say his company didn't allow it based on the time involved, health and safety relative to the cost they charged for the install.

    Meter cabinet installs were happening in 2021 alright, hence the publication of supplementary information to cater for them in IS10101 following the update in 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I just had a bathroom fan installed as part of the seai grant and all the wiring is done through the attic so definitely allowed

    Time is contagious, everyone is getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    It was a fixed price install alright, it was the EI offer for €1100 up front and I would get the grant back from the SEAI directly. Yes it could have been company policy instead of actual regulations for the attic cable run, he didn't think it was a good idea anyway because of the continuous high currents involved. I don't know about accessing the meter box but it certainly would have made his job a lot easier to go that way, it was a lovely neat install.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    All possible but I’d say he was “talking” you out of it. High currents makes no sense at all. It’s a 32a draw max. It’s just more work for him to be honest. That’s it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭godzillaess




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Jesus you're an oddball, did you read my post at all? There was no need whatsoever to go near the attic it was only mentioned in conversation as he was finishing up, he wasn't talking me out of anything (more suspicion). Regarding accessing the meter box, he agreed 100% it would have saved him a lot of drilling but it wouldn't be worth the hassle for him because accessing the meter box would involve getting more company bosses involved etc and would certainly have delayed the install, anyway he had, and I had, good quality drills and bits to get the job over the line that day which is what we both wanted.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Ok oddball.
    Just addressing the comments about attic runs being against regulations that you stated.

    Your installer (if the conversation even happened) was mugging you off.

    You also stated “Using the correct isolator, which it looks like, the feed should be in from the bottom. It's about safety more than looks.”

    More BS unfortunately. Again, installer just didn’t want to encourage or engage with you. Just wanted to shut the conversation down. The isolators can be too entry or bottom entry or side entry once they’ve been manufactured for that.

    Your installer sounds odd alright, requiring management sign off for a basic install and also requiring the customers tools and drill bits. Very strange. But anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    You definitely have an uncanny ability to misread everything, you assume everyone is lying. What a weird outlook on life 🤔



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Nope. Just correcting the misfacts, like others have posted. You brought us down this rabbit hole.

    Your initial post was a grilling to the OP about going through the attic? Then you stated it wasn’t allowed…..

    You also stated that the isolator switch was fitted incorrectly and wired incorrectly, again without any knowledge of the area.

    And then you wonder why people are calling you out on it. Get a grip.

    And then you carry your silly little argument across to other posts. Childish muppetry.



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    It was €1249 before the grant, and €949 net of the grant. I got it in their October special offer. I think the offer was €799 but I needed additional cable because of the distance from the fuse box to the charger.

    Re the attic cabling, literally all our wiring runs through the attic. We just had a solar pv system installed this week and it’s all run through the attic also. The solar guys commented that the charger was a neat job as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I hope the mods allow this, but I'm going to sell on my Kia/Energia Charger install. It's for a Ohme Home Pro/ZappiEO Mini Pro 3, fully installed by Energia. I'm asking for the retail price of the Zappi, so essentially it's a free install.

    See the ad here: https://www.adverts.ie/other/ev-charger-install/35827029



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Right, time to get this back in perspective with a what I posted earlier and put a stop to this attack. 1) I never grilled anyone, I simply asked Toots was the cable inside going through the attic #8672. He replied it was going through the attic #8680.

    2) #8672 I said it looks tidy, I thought power would have been fed underneath, backed up by zg3409 who said it's best practice to connect from the bottom. I never said the wrong isolator was fitted in fact I said it was the correct one #8681.

    Post #8691 was where you accused me for the second time of lying. I offered him the use of a mains power masonry drill as he had a battery drill with him but he said it should be man enough for the job, I put his spare battery on his charger in case he needed it as he was going to another job in the afternoon.

    I still stand over what I was told by my installer. His company did not allow them to enter attic space.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    100%. Absolutely nothing wrong with cabling in the attic space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Agree.

    Anything else is just FUD @CoBo55. Assume it's not intentional but this is how old wives tales start and then become "fact" unless challenged.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Entry to attic space was more likely insurance related, nothing to do with regs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Cable runs are allowed through the attic.

    Bad information is pervasive. Don't propagate it. The installer in your case was talking waffle (for whatever reason) someone saying something with their mouth doesn't make it true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Entry to attics is more than likely because some people don't fancy going into attics if there's another handier option for them.

    These lads are human and can be lazy too. As we all can. I've yet to see a tradesman avoid handier work by raising insurance as a concern. They'll take handy options every time. If attic was effort they'll take the path easier travelled 😬😬😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭LBF21


    Any recommendations for North Dublin installers? Also is a connection to the fuse box necessary? Mine is a at back of the house on the opposite side that I want to get the charger installed. Actually want to get it installed right beside the meter. First time getting a plug in and all new to me.

    Thanks

    Post edited by LBF21 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    If a connection to the distribution board is considered not to be feasible, then connection to the meter cabinet is allowed. Stupid regulation, it should either be allowed or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    I'd like to replace a Tesla gen 1 Wall charger (connector broke a pin and the whole unit needs replacing), seems the Tesla gen 3 is quite cheap at 535€ on the website... I don't need a zappi for solar at double the price, but Nigel is saying the Tesla doesn't comply with some regulations?

    I assume it's a straight replacement for the old gen1, no other work required, so any electrician from this list should be able to do it?

    https://safeelectric.ie/find-an-electrician/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Very easy to replace. I upgraded my own dumb charger to a Hypervolt a couple years ago, as I needed a type 2 charger. Not much more challenging than upgrading a power socket.

    Stay Free



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