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Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,228 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    You'd be surprised what one tiny little voice can accomplish. This isn't about Judaism, it is not anti Israeli, it's about what's wrong. We are also not on our own.

    The Israeli government picked on what they perceived as the "scrawny little yoke", but it'll come back to bite them.

    I imagine un soldiers will be killed in their multiple conflicts. They can't keep playing the beal bocht much longer.

    Ever ask why us presidents find some irish connections…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Trump was never a career politician he was and still is a business man - it's in his interest that Ireland's economy is booming after all he has business interests here…….that will always colour his judgement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,228 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    or maybe she'd feel dirty.

    Do you recall seeing this?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Anyone else thinking of the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry David has sex with the Palestinian woman?

    “Fùck me like Israel fúcks my people” etc and so on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,228 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    The Israeli PR and rhetoric machine is a mighty beast.

    Imagine having the temerity to be butthurt by nation like Ireland, (who many see as internationally insignificant), while killing innocent civilians on a daily basis.

    They cannot deal with criticism in a mature manner, so ŕesort to the equivalent school yard name calling to distract the international community.

    Trying to establish Irelands position on human rights, as somehow worse than Israels actions against human rights.

    And idiots fall for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Ah sure I suppose life would be dull without them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    Basically the propaganda has been highly effective. Imagine though, feeling you can't critique your own government without fear of retribution in terms of your personal reputation, potentially job/livelihood, fearing being harassed online, having your sense of identity attacked etc etc - basically just the usual right wing, populist bullying people into line at home and abroad. It's far from unique, this conflict is just a prime example of it, but I think we're rapidly headed into a strange, strange world where 'freedom of speech' will disappear, becoming a meaningless phrase that only allows speech that's in-line with whatever accepted line is. Anyone goes against the populist party line … let the pile ons and mud slinging commence!

    I think this era of social media, influencers, and spin will probably just destroy a lot of normal politics, discussion, diplomacy and the institutions that we built up in the modern post WWII era.

    What's going on in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon and now seemingly somewhat extended to Syria is just absolutely awful, but the world is just showing it's incapable of responding. The UN should be mandated to go in, resourced properly and seriously keep peace in a much more robust way, but they're neither capable nor allowed due to do so in any meaningful way, and the majority of governments and commentators seem to either genuinely not give a crap, or are just too spineless to make any statement lest they might get called something nasty.

    It's a grim era and increasingly one where any sense of morals and values are just dissolving away. We had a lot of reform and rebuilding after WWII in particular, great strides were made in human rights, but they're all just fizzling away as they're generally just not applied.

    The US in particular holds a lot of sway in this area, and could have also gone in as peacemaker and come up with solutions. However, the standard of leadership though is so poor these days and the focus is so domestic that nothing really matters. It's just another set of buzzwords for the culture wars. The fact that real people are dying isn't really registering. It's the same across most of Europe too - the majority just adopt a position that it's too awkward to bring up and run away from mentioning it.

    It's no wonder that so many people are just completely disillusioned with modern politics in many countries at the moment. We live in an era of spineless, weak, politics, tiptoeing around, with very little vision, no sense of idealism or even intellect. It's just tweet, post, tweet, post…

    Post edited by PixelCrafter on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭monseiur


    For well over 16 years Gaza - home to almost 2 million Palestinians is called the largest open air prison in the world and the ''prison wardens'' were and still are their neighbours the jews. What crimes have they committed????

    To this day israel continues to illegally occupy more and more Palestinian land field by field, farm by farm, village by village town by town. Palestinians are kicked out, if they resist a bullet awaits them. To date at least 800,000 thousand homes are built and occupied by jews on this illegally occupied territory all armed to the teeth. And it continues and will for years to come because the yanks refuse to shout STOP Much of this construction is indirectly financed by the US treasury in the guise of social / economic assistance etc.

    So it's no surprise really that the Palestinians occasionally rise up against their oppressor. It's a David against Goliath scenario……..but without a free Palestine israel will never be at peace - perhaps they should reflect on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Forgot the West bank which is not controlled by hamas…just saying…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,776 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I think a lot of it is just what I call the "internet right"…those who glean their the talking points off of manipulators (mainly American) and who'll never stop to think just why they're supporting something or why it is that they are repeating the talking points it is that they receive.

    In other words their political masters have told them that a certain position is what they should be holding at a present time and they blindly go along with it, purely on the basis that they have an enemy in their head that needs to be defeated.

    As an aside, this whole Intel thing is a truly bizarre sideline of fear mongering. Despicable stuff really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I would rather not have our economy built on such pillars of sand and lose the likes of Facebook and Google (which are the obvious large companies that would back Israeli boycotts of Ireland), than stay silent on human rights issues. What kind of life could you have if you sell your principles and morals for some dubious “economic growth” counter argument? Irish people thankfully are no pushovers.

    Luckily Ireland is a democracy and enough people share the view that money isn’t everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    It is not the Jews! It's the Israeli government supported by the US.

    The Israeli people are not just of the Judaism religion. It's loads of grey. They're just Israeli.

    I/we were called antisemitic. I couldn't give a tuppence fart about religion. What I do give a crap is ME being called out on being called racist and antisemitic.

    YOU being called racist and antisemitic.

    Us being called the same.

    Murder, genocide and war crimes against humanity, are you okay with that?

    It makes me tense, and I'm not focusing on your post. Apologies.

    We won't lose them. The tiny rock will eventually cause an avalanche. I want no war, but if Europe does not stick up for what is right, then there is no Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,190 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Do you really think the public think so highly of this conflict that they would put their whole material wellbeing and that of their own country on the line for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,576 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Think about how the international media frames all this.

    We are being smeared as the racists, when it's actually the other way around. Israel is the hostile actor in all this, they are directly threatening us. In the grand scheme of that, that's nothing when 10's of thousands of Palestinians have been slaughtered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,457 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I haven't commented on this thread yet and I am not easily surprised but I was utterly taken aback with some of the reactions to the Israeli embassy closure. I couldn't believe my eyes or ears. Essentially some people were suggesting that we should not have annoyed Israel because of the possible impact their reaction could have to our economy. It was all about the economy, the money. We were warned by some that Israel would pressure the Americans to reduce our FDI/MNC investments etc. People were frightened about the ecomomic impact of…criticising a genocide. The daily murder of women and children was forgotten. I personally see that opinion as extreme cowardice. I have never seen the likes. Have some Irish people become that yellow? Are some people that shallow? Our government had done nothing wrong and yet people could only think of potential money loss. Unbelievable cowardice. Total deference to the Americans and in turn their Israeli allies. How much would our silence cost? These cowards were begging our politicians to stop "poking the bear". For doing what…for criticising an ongoing genocide. Where is the honour within those people? Ireland has done nothing wrong…maybe Israel has? It depressed me that we have so many self serving people without character in this country. Where did it all go wrong? Where is their sense of decency? Extreme cowardice. Depressing. Embarrassing.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I honestly wouldn't worry about it.

    The likes of other European countries have said the same. They'll rally.

    We're a tiny country. Typical bully mentality. You'll see the support in the coming weeks.

    War crimes tend to come out in the wash. It won't be forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,457 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What need you, being come to sense,

    But fumble in a greasy till

    And add the halfpence to the pence

    And prayer to shivering prayer, until

    You have dried the marrow from the bone;

    For men were born to pray and save;

    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,

    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I'm not sure what Kavanagh has to do with this, but I have an inkling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,457 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Completely wrong! Apologies. Reading it now. I'll edit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Raichų


    Jesus Christ posts from brietbart…

    anyway I reckon closing the embassy won’t really make all that much difference to the country. Good luck to them honestly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Edit: I'm completely wrong. Apologies. Different poem I was thinking of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    It's a curious thought though. I'm going to think about it. I imagine 10 people could come up with 10 different thoughts about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The racist thing is a blatant lie. Ireland is probably one of the most tolerant and open minded countries in western Europe with very few extremists or headbangers in the Dáil. But Israel having a go at us has put us in the firing line for actual racists, that's where the Zionist crowd draw most of their support in Europe from.



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