Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968618#Comment_122968618

I may be incorrect but being a zionist doesn't mean your Jewish? Is that correct?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968374#Comment_122968374

If FDI dried up our principals would be all we'd have left.

I'm surprised at the naivety of your post tbh. In the real world adults have to make dubious compromises every day.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968632#Comment_122968632

That is indeed correct. All of the pro-Netanyahu supporters in Ireland and elsewhere could probably be called Zionists : it would be essentially anyone who supports the current Israeli state and its hard line policies (and who doesn't have much time for the Palestinians as a result).

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968082#Comment_122968082

Yep , that's the MO of the most extreme Zionists, Mark Humphrys just plum decides something didn't happen, someone produces a link with Bibi netanyahu or a government member confirming it and Humphrys still denies it

Zionism is a cult

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967448#Comment_122967448

Eh, that's incorrect. The Fountain would fly Israeli flags on the regular, there is no identification with Gaza in that community.

PixelCrafter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968517#Comment_122968517

Would be interesting if any named political reps were to sue a loads of media outlets in London for defamation, which it is. It might just draw more attention to the case, but technically speaking these are literally designed to damage his reputation and are simply slurs. If media outlets are rebroadcasting what is essentially a very personalised attempt to tarnish someone's name, there are legal remedies.

These aren't just simply criticising a policy.

Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968533#Comment_122968533

💯

I was shocked with the lily livered cowardice.

At all costs the jobs for the lads with fat arses and double chins in Intel were to be saved. A spell in the army would do them the world a good😅

Jinglejangle69

Interesting times we are entering.

Israel has massive sway and control worldwide, more than most of us are aware of.

Some balls to take them on.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968743#Comment_122968743

But can Palestinians be Israeli? Or Israeli be Palestinians?

Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969044#Comment_122969044

Do they though? Trump didn't do half the stuff he said he'd do in 2017-2020. He's the main player and he suits his own whims.

The tide is turning on Israel.

I don't think I'll ever watch Schindler's List again. The descendants of the persecuted becoming persecutors.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968533#Comment_122968533

Excellent post and right on the nail.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969044#Comment_122969044

Call out wrongs wherever they exist is the right thing to do. Children's lives depend on it.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968517#Comment_122968517

I wouldn't worry about that at all. The entire decent people of the world see it for what it is. Ireland will be honoured for it's stance in the future. War criminals never win.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968618#Comment_122968618

Nuts will be nuts.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969044#Comment_122969044

They are cowards and need to be confronted. Dropping a 2,000 bomb on a tent does not take a lot of balls. Cowards.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969087#Comment_122969087

Probably used a plane

Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969097#Comment_122969097

An American plane

JupiterKid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968533#Comment_122968533

Brilliant observation that sums it all up for me. 100% in agreement.

There are so many money grubbing people in this country with zero backbone, zero principles and zero empathy for others.

Mr Disco

I thought they just opened a new building? What’s their financial obligations? Sure a lease will need to be complied with?

SpoonyMcSpoon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968517#Comment_122968517

”They cry out as they strike you”.

SpoonyMcSpoon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968637#Comment_122968637

Toxic social media companies is nothing to be excited about and a large part of Ireland’s problems come from complacency to do with the ill gotten corporate tax gains from these toxic companies. It is all a sham the corporate tax game and Ireland is siphoning it off from other countries like Luxembourg, Cayman Islands etc do. It is a mindset lacking self-esteem to think the country cannot thrive without being a tax haven, but Ireland should be so much more than just a US tax haven. If calling out genocide hurts FDI from Israeli allies then fine by me. Luckily a lot of people in this country share my view which is why the closing of the embassy has been met with widespread indifference and even celebration in the country.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969206#Comment_122969206

If we experience a flight of foreign investment our country is going to be in serious trouble. For clarification, I'm speaking hypothetically here, I'm not anticipating an exodus of FDI I'm merely illustrating the importance of FDI to the wider Irish economy, not just those directly employed by it.

That's a problem for everyone in this country, the disaster that was the 2009 recession is within living memory for most adults, we can ill afford another shock of that sort, particularly because we disagree with another countries foreign policy.

I have taken issue with Israel's actions for years, but I'm fvcked if I'm going to see this country in the toilet financially AGAIN because of principles relating to an issue that has no direct effect on this country.

If this country potentially being financially crippled is fine by you, you're obviously not worth listening to, you don't speak for the majority and you're prioritising luxury beliefs over Irish people being able to put a roof over their heads and food on the table.

Peregrinus

If we experience a flight of foreign investment our country is going to be in serious trouble.

It's a big leap, though, from "Israel closes its embassy in Ireland" to "Ireland experiences flight of foreign investment".

To put this in context, while the Israeli Foreign Minister has just accused Micheál Martin of antisemitism, allegations of antisemitism levied by members of the Netenyahu government are not exactly rare. Their kneenjerk reaction to virtually any kind of criticism from abroad is to accuse the critic of antisemitism. This plays well with their base in Israel, but it does mean that accusations of antisemitism from this source carry less and less weight.

People have talked about the international reaction to the embassy closure decision, but mostly they cite reaction from established supporters of the Netenyahu regime and its policies. Take a step back and looking at wider the reaction; it's mainly one of puzzlement.

The specific complaints about Ireland are primarily (a) that we gave formal recognition the State of Palestine; and (b) that we have announced that will make submissions in the South Africa -v- Israel proceedings in the ICJ.

Neither of these things are especially unusual.

As regards recognition, we literally lined up at a press conference with Norway and Spain to announce our recognition of the State of Palestine, but the Israeli embassies in Oslo and Madrid remain open. So what gives? And the idea that recognition should be afforded to Palestine is not exactly a fringe position; 143 member states of the UN voted in May for the admission of Palestine as a state; 25 abstained; only 9 voted against. If there's a fringe position on this question, it's Israel's position. So how many embassies is Israel going to close over this? Just the one, apparently.

As for the ICJ proceedings, about 30 states have formally expressed support for South Africa's position; 10 have already joined the proceeding to make their own submissions; others, including Ireland, have announced an intention to do so. But only one embassy is to be closed because of this. Why? Come to think of it, what signal is sent by closing the embassy in Ireland because of its intention to join the proceedings, while maintaining the embassy in South Africa, which launched the proceedings in the first place?

Hence all the puzzlement, even in Israel itself. The general view is that the Israeli government needs to focus its resources and spending on defence — this is not a cheap war to pursue — and that means cuts in other departments, including foreign affairs. The Irish embassy is being closed because it's relatively insignificant, and it hasn't acheived very much for Israel. They are making a virtue out of necessity by trying to frame the impact of this closure decision in a way that will play to the base. But, really, the reasons they are giving don't stand up to any serious scrutiny. Fortunately for them, their base is not likely to give the reasons any serious scrutiny.

Except for those for whom performative support for Netenyahu trumps economic interest — and I think they are not numerous in the global investment community — there is no reason why the closure of the Israeli embassy should result in a flight of investment capital from Ireland. The whole episode is much more embarrassing to Israel than it is to Ireland, and the only reason this flies under the radar to some extent is that there are other things going on right now that cause Israel much more embarrassment than this.

Tl;dr: Ireland is not the diplomatically isolated country here.

Grayson

Saw this on reddit this morning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1hgpnw6/what_is_being_written_about_the_irish_in_israeli/

It's about an opinion piece on the times of israel website.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-the-irish-hate-the-jews/

Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve seen more than one person ask why it is that the Irish (barring, as always, exceptional people among them) are such Jew-haters. So I decided to explain what has always seemed to me to be a pretty obvious thing.

Christianity is inherently antisemitic. If you’re a Christian, and you aren’t an antisemite, you might be offended by me saying that. But it’s true. It doesn’t mean that Christians are inherently antisemitic; just that Christianity is. Many modern Christians, having been acculturated in a society that frowns on bigotry, have found ways to disregard the antisemitism inherent in their religion, and focus on the positive aspects.

But there is one place in the Christian world where religion has remained a very, very immediate and critical issue. Even a life or death issue, for quite a long time, extending into modern times. And that’s Ireland.

The sectarian warfare between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland has resulted in the societal retardation of their culture when it comes to religion. They still feel their ancient Christianity in their bones. And as a result, their views of Jews are closer to those of medieval Christians than those of modern ones.

It would be odd if they were not antisemitic, given all that.

People on this thread, and others will accuse the Irish of anti semitism. Can any of them show me an opinion piece hosted on any irish website thats filled with as much ignorance as this?

And the crazy thing is, this is acceptable but they try to boycott outlets like Haaretz.

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969044#Comment_122969044

Much as I despise Israel, Irish people are a little naive when it comes to assuming what level of influence the Irish lobby has in Washington, sure it's significant but dwarfed by the power of the Israeli lobby

During presidential election campaigns in America,you don't see candidates pledging allegiance to Ireland or appearing in front of the tri colour as frequently as the stars and stripes, different story with Israel, trump spent as much time in front of the Star of David as his own countries flag

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969064#Comment_122969064

MAGA has become MIGA , Trump is fully bought by Zionists, in fact his biggest campaign donor was Miriam Adelson, former IDF member and widow of the late Sheldon adelson ( casino magnate and ultra zionist), she gave him a hundred million, her price, the full annexation of the west Bank

Then you have his cabinet, stuffed with Zionists and Israel first loons like Mike Huckabee

Trump is an Israeli dream for the oval office,the combination of ignorant, incurious and greedy

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969313#Comment_122969313

Yes, Israel has considerable political and diplomatic influence in the US; much more than Ireland.

But they use it carefully and wisely. They are not about to expend their political capital in pursuing a vendetta against Ireland. They have many higher priorities than that.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969264#Comment_122969264

If their propaganda machine are willing to tell these types of absolute barefaced lies about us, imagine the lies they are telling about the Palestinians.

I think the genuine people on here offering this Israeli governments unfettered support should reflect on their position (if you aren't all trolls and bots that is :))

felonious_Gru

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969342#Comment_122969342

Ordinarily I'd agree but hard nosed executives in Wall St and elsewhere draw the line with Israel,that is the country they most identify with

PopePalpatine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969264#Comment_122969264

Talking about our brain pans would have given the game away.