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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Good on Athlone, Thornton Hall residents also had success fighting this on environmental grounds. The centre in Newtownmountkennedy also neglected to have an environmental survey carried out. It shows the department are a law to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is this because O'Gorman is leaving office and his party was decimated in the election and now he is just leaving this mess to someone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This is painful, having to ask every time: what should Ireland do differently then? Something specific. “Reject more applicants” isn’t specific

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Then theres no issue with "turning off the taps without breaking international law" as you initially claimed, so.

    Because if we implemented those policies we would be literally turning off the taps without breaking international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It is and i bet you will hear O'Gorman critcising whoever takes up the position after him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    If the acceptance rates are unchanged then the accepted numbers will rise in a shorter time span and get full access to welfare and accommodation . Great logic !!

    Germany is looking at the possibility of leaving the ECHR .

    I think you have had replies to your repetitive and now painful question.

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No, last I heard it had be stalled due an incomplete Environmental impact report. The locals had brought a legal case against the department, as the report wasn't thorough enough given the size of the site and impact 1,000 men would have on an unserviced site.

    Also can't remember now, if it was Thornton or Athlone, but the Environmental report was carried out by a company which didn't come into being until a date after the report had been carried out!

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41510390.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    "Service Collapse" is a term we are going to be hearing a lot more of in the coming year.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    So what do you want to change? “Reject more people” isn’t a policy change, it’s a result of a policy change.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I never said it wasn’t possible. I asked how it could be done, it wasn’t a rhetorical question.

    Why are people confusing questions and statements?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Look you can demand solutions from boardsies but it’s up to the highly paid people in power who are running the country to solve this problem. Posters here have already given ideas on what can be done, I’m not sure what more you want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,298 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    That is absolutely astounding when you think about it.

    With our geological location we should be very close to the bottom of the list on the numbers that are arriving.

    What exactly is it that makes us so popular if it's not benefits and our low refusal rate.

    We are a tiny country and this is not sustainable for much longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    The suspension of disbelief that one has to go through to explain the numbers here is comical.

    • We have to pretend our high acceptance rate is because we only get the best applicants.
    • We have to pretend our high numbers overall are because of "job opportunities" here (ignoring the fact that almost nobody with a normal job can get accommodation, and the numbers working don't support any such thing).
    • We have to pretend the numbers arriving with no ID is because they come from countries where they can't get passports (like……errr…..France……and of course no mention of how they got in a plane in the first place…..)
    • We have to pretend the huge number of single males is because they are all coming over here (leaving their beloved wives and children in whatever supposed hellhole they fled to fend for themselves) to set up home. And they'll send for their families afterwards. Any day now. You just wait and see).
    • And of course we have to pretend that they all want to work, and will build all those houses the Irish builders are too lazy to build. Sure if you pass any building site you'll see loads of them. Thousands in fact. Building away like nobody's business.

    If one applies Occam's Razor to this thread, it gets very thin indeed.

    Post edited by NattyO on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction re: anecdotes

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I would imagine it’s easier to approve than refuse. This is just an opinion and no I do not have proof before anyone asks. A refusal requires justification and reasons as the applicant can appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Watching crimecall last night I noticed all the suspects were the doctors we imported -we may need a more stringent approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    You forgot one

    Tweets posted on a public platform in 8 different languages by a senior Irish government official on a huge worldwide site like Twitter had no impact at all. But posts on a niche Irish discussion forum expressing dislike for handling of immigration policies are causing violence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Massive increase in anti social behaviour and a huge housing issue as a direct result of Irelands refugee policy -and those responsible were voted in again .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Nah you see Lotus you got that wrong, dead wrong.. Roderick himself was on the Tonight Show and said he never put out those tweets in 8 different languages and that it was all “disinformation”

    Don’t matter we saw it all with our own eyes, dangerous far right conspiracy stuff I tell ya !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    And they are still on his twitter!

    But we misinterpreted them, shure he was just putting out some oul whitepaper, nothing anybody would take any notice of, and shure he only sent it out in the most common languages among asylum seekers cos, ya know, that's what he does (even though he never did it before or since).

    All a big misunderstanding, and yer all big oul racist anti-trans homophobes for mentioning it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Haha, that would be me, if I worked in the IPO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yeah. I remember that guy on the Joe Duffy show. He recognised the were all not genuine.

    In fact that is something I want to debunk. The idea any of these are genuine.

    You don't come to the extreme west of Europe travelling through safe countries if you are genuine.

    In response to processing times. Yes. They absolutely must be fast. The slow process allows them to claim they "put down roots" and frustrate attempts to deport them even when they come from perfectly safe countries like south Africa.

    However refusal rates have got to go up and 100% rejection of these claims is what we need to be gunning for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭emo72


    How can he claim he didn't put those tweets out? Is it some form of extreme nation sized gas lighting? I mean we can all read the texts. They're there. This shite mushes my consciousness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Some people also claim that no one cared about those tweets until the ‘far right’ mentioned them. Despite the fact that there were news articles at the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Mod Edit: Warned for backseat modding

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I was not advocating for indefinite detention, the topic was around detention centres and that Australia has them. I copied and pasted from here. This is an official site it was copied from so it is not misinformation


    https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/publications/asylum-seekers-and-refugees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    But you did chose to ignore all the other available information about detention centers in Australia.

    I'd find it hard to believe you wouldn't be aware of it, given it's come up in the thread multiple times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Ok how about this. How about we model what works well in Australia and learn from what doesn’t. The fact that there’s drawbacks to some asylum systems is not an excuse to do nothing. We can’t continue to keep sending thousands and thousands into fields and tents all over the country and buying up hotels everywhere



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