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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,588 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The billionaire class of the USA must be feeling particularly nervous right about now. Here's something that is finding a base of support from across the political spectrum in the U.S. and directly concerns their profits, their business practices and, indeed, their very wellbeing if they're particularly evil. What invented culture war nonsense will they attempt to get promoted in order to distract the electorate this time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,010 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Dictator Trump will be sworn in soon, there'll be plenty of distractions.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Well, given that he takes dislikes to certain billionaires, it'll be fun to see makes his **** list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,271 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Has the narrative moved to him being popular with shareholders for his business achievements?

    Has his insider trading just been retconned away to make him seem like an innocent wee dote?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭nachouser


    15 pages about an American rich guy that no-one had ever heard about killing another American rich guy that no-one had ever heard about and both sides being riled up about it. Classic boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Yet here you are, eh? The reactions to the murder have been far more interesting than the murder itself.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Did Luigi Mangione know about this? Or is this just more victim-blaming?

    Though even if he did know, he is still not Batman, a self appointed superhero tasked with ridding Gotham of evil all by himself.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Brian Thompson's boss Andre Whitty still seems to be doing terrible pr. Even in the nytimes the readers are schewing his deluded opinion piece. They should forget trying to salvage the CEOs reputation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/opinion/united-health-care-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭aoboa


    Wow.

    Pro Israeli genocide

    Anti trans

    Pro Corporate abuse

    Happy to fight for woman's rights against trans but delighted to see Palestinian women and children slaughtered.

    Bizarre

    Could you be any more right wing?

    Lovely 👍

    Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    The comments are right on the money though. For all Witty's talk about striving to improve his company and always putting the customer first, he has the power to change things for the better tomorrow if he really wanted to. That would eat into his profits however so it will be business as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,271 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I was just wondering did you know while you continue to idolise Thompson as a working class hero come good. I'm amazed you haven't dug out a childhood photo of Thompson to boost your routine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭circadian


    What I'm finding even more bizarre is, and I feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat saying this, that the left leaning mainstream media are also pushing some of these narratives.

    In the case of the CEO shooting, Americans must feel gaslit by the reporting.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Really? The only thing corporations, including corporate media care about is the bottom line. As far as I'm concerned, CNN or whatever qualifies as "left leaning" is just a strain Fox News that's uncomfortable with homophobia, racism and transphobia. The only campaign ads I saw for individual Democrat candidates stressed border control and gun rights.

    They'll go on about things like student debt forgiveness because that doesn't change the system so it's fine. When someone tries to bring these insurance companies to heel, they'll show their true colours then. Even The Daily Show is just cracking jokes about how hunky the shooters is and I thought that Jon Stewart was supposed to be some man of principle.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Maybe John Stewart should have called the CEO 'scum' and a 'parasite' instead?

    Maybe many people are uncomfortable lauding a murderer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    And if he wasn't dead, I'd join you on that.

    I'm just stunned that when a man has been murdered, so many people who were totally unaffected by anything he may ever have done, good or bad, and who probably had never heard his name until he died, have been so eager to rush to say how much they don't care that he's dead - or even that the world is a better place without him.

    I'm not an unconditional follower of "Don't say ill of the dead", but as a general rule of thumb, it's a fairly decent one - and in this particular instance, I think it says something very bad about the character of people who feel entitled to call a murder victim they'd never even heard of a month ago, "scum" and a parasite etc.

    What sort of mindset is that? Some sort of negative virtue signalling?

    But apparently it's madly rightwing to go by the maxim that one should try not to say ill of the dead.

    And that's before we look at the murderer. He has literally been called a hero on here. FFS What sort of people think that?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And I'd say posters have given plenty of reasons why such an individual is far from a good person. He was making deeply unethical and immoral decisions to optimise profits. That's not a justification for murdering him, that's simply understanding why the US reaction to his death has been largely unsympathetic. People have gone into debt or simply died as a result of such policies from the insurance industry. Don't speak ill of the dead is a pretty simple way of whitewashing people and I strongly doubt you'd be coming out with this mantra if a common criminal was murdered.

    I absolutely do not view him a hero for the record but do think it was more a matter of time before such an event had occurred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭scottser


    I've seen Thompson called a 'healthcare worker' a 'frontline hero' and the like, when his sole responsibility was shareholder profits and not the well-being of patients. I've also heard Mangione been called a murderer and a terrorist when he's entitled to a presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. The reactions to Thompson's shooting are genuinely hysterical when hundreds of Americans are shot and killed daily for any number of spurious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,010 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    You raise a good point. Why so much resource devoted to investigating Thompson's murder? What about the other people shot and killed in NYC that day?

    Wealthy protected class guy, can't have his murder at the back of the queue, no sirree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I guess there would be a risk if he wasn't caught that there may be copycat killers.

    I thinks it bizarre that some that are constantly talking about the character of the killer are rebuking others for also talking about the obvious flaws in the character of the victim. It is self-censorship virtue signaling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,271 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The only people calling Mangione a hero are you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    You've seen that on here?? Where? The only person I've seen called a hero was the murderer.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Seriously? you know it's not the norm to put the victim on trial don't you?

    So would you be grand with a spot of investigation of the character of all murder victims as a general rule? To see whether they were nasty enough people to create mitigating circumstances even though the killer had probably never spoken to his victim in his life, and, it turns out, was not even registered with his company?

    Would you be happy with others doing the same if someone in your family ever gets murdered?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Posters can continue with their "don't speak ill of the dead" that is fine. But to insist others do the same is not. This is discussion forum, if they are offended by such talk they can leave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭scottser


    Not on here but quite a few American 'news' outlets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So you come on to complain that random people on unknown US outlets have allegedly said this, but you have no comment to make on posters here who have literally called the murderer a hero and the victim scum?

    Ok.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Thing is, the vast majority of posters are in agreement that he didn't deserve to be murdered. This doesn't mean we should rewrite him into a decent person. The reality is that plenty of normal Americans are unsympathetic towards him because of lives being effectively destroyed through death or debt or untreated debilitating illnesses caused by United Healthcare. You seem to want to downplay as it as a serious issue and just complain that they're not campaigning enough which is pretty cold hearted on your part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭scottser


    Keep your wig on.

    1. I'm not complaining
    2. I haven't read anything on here stating that Mangione is a hero
    3. I haven't read anything on here stating Thompson was scum

    Most commentators here aren't really surprised that such a polarised and armed society as the US has thrown up another death, what most have found interesting is the reaction to it. Your own reaction, like a lot of what I've read, is hysterical and extreme. Are you personally invested in this shooting in some way? If not, maybe take a step back from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Interesting viewpoints as to how a trial might go - seemingly certain that there would be a psychological defence, basically that he was emotionally disturbed at the time of the murder.

    I do expect the trial to be about the system of heath insurance and the emotional toll it can take on people.

    Would a jury convict? Probably. There’s supposedly a litany of evidence and assuming a jury of 12 he would need at least 3 steadfast supporters to refuse a guilty verdict and even then that would just go to a new trial.


    Wouldnt be surprised to see him get manslaughter and 15 years if a trial goes ahead.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They could also render a null verdict where they judge the defendant innocent despite clear guilt.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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