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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You don't have to inform me you are reporting the post, just report it.

    I explained the premise of my question. I also corrected your misinformation.

    You are under no obligation to answer it, but you don't have to throw a strop accusing me of sorts and try and get me banned.

    That's just poor and just a diversion to the facts in my post you don't feel comfortable addressing.

    I think that would be accurate enough?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What misinformation, anything I read was it was a triple murder not double.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/african-car-dealer-kicked-out-32512361.amp

    I did not mention the colour of anyone's skin, I provided an example which you used to imply I am a racist.

    I will not be engaging any further, boards really needs to stomp out this free for all where people are free to call people racists for no reason without any consequences.

    Racists are scum and I find your comment disgusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You are just doubling down now.

    No one called you racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭foxsake


    only after being exposed in the media and online.

    the garda and other relevant agencies seemed ignorant or unwillingly to act until that point.

    I think thats even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I gave an example.

    You accused me of fear mongering and implied I am terrified of brown people.

    You implied I am a racist with your comment below, I never said anything about brown people.

    What did you mean with your comment below, all I can see is you implied I am a racist, feel free to clear it up with what you meant.

    Do you self fear monger over those or is it just the brown ones you are terrified of?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The premise of my post was the nonsensical self fear mongering people indulge in.

    I don't think my post was cryptic or hard to understand TBF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    So as I expected you can't explain why you made those comments if the intent wasn't to imply I am a racist.

    You are right your post wasn't hard to understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Might help if you read the post again, understand the premise and try and answer the question.

    It was your example not mine.

    If you just want to keep shouting You Called me A Racist, which I most certainly didn't. We will have to leave it there.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod warning:

    @Boggles @Backstreet Moyes

    enough of this please. It is obvious that you can't agree to the point you discussed in the last few posts and that has gone long enough. Any more of this could result to a ban.

    Thank you both for keeping the discussion civil.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Lets see if things have changed around here.

    If someone who claims to be from Syria turns up in Turkey or Lebanon without any documentary identification it is understandable.

    Likewise someone claiming to be Somailian turns up in Kenya, Afghani in Pakistan, Nigerian in Cameroon, etc, etc.

    But lets call a spade a spade here.

    There is no way in hell someone can turn up in Dublin airport or any airport or port in Ireland without documentation and be accepted on their say.

    The only ones that should be able to turn up in Ireland without identification are British.

    People who turn up claiming asylum, or whatever it's snazzy term is these days, have engaged in asylum shopping.

    They have bypassed at least one safe country to get here, unless of course they are so good at sailing or rowing that they should be top competitors in the Olympics.

    And entering the country without documentation, making bogus claims is and should be treated as a criminal offence.

    In most sane countries, and in the past in all Western countries, illegal entry was treated as such.

    Now this modern shytology.

    So the only thing these people should get are handcuffs and led away to a detention centre.

    A detention centre with barbed wire and high walls.

    And I don't care if you call me racist or call it a concentration camp.

    BTW I don't care if you are black, white, brown or fooking pasty pink off you go if you enter this country without visa, without evidence of being EU citizen, without documentation.

    A functioning country, just like a functioning family, put their own interests first.

    Not the interests of others, who may or may not have a sob story to sell.

    And at no time did I say we should have no immigrants, no refugees.

    Immigrants should be on points scheme and no that does not include deliveroo drivers.

    There are lots of genuine refugees, especially women and kids, stuck in refugee camps round the world that can easily back up their stories.

    We don't need to take in single young men with no documents just to try make us look good to those we hanker for validation from in some institution HQ or other.

    We took in a small number of Vietnamese boat people that we were able to integrate quite successfully into our country, and that was at a time when we had shag all.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Also I'm pretty sure in a concentration camp you aren't alowed to leave. Armed gaurds aren't holding you at gunpoint. These people are free to leave when they want if its not what you expected or led to believe on social media before ya arrived on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    There is no intention to do anything really. If they clamp down on a few sacrificial 'Asylum seekers' it is only for optics.

    The idea is to drive up the population by various means. We are seen as under populated.

    More cheap labour, higher rents and house prices, more government contracts for accommodation for savvy 'investors'.

    All of this is for the purpose of the few connected. The bleeding hearts getting appeased with a healthy dose of virtue signaling is a happy coincidence. And they do alot of ground work against ordinary Joe too.

    I was listening to Matt Cooper and Ivan Yates pod, they were querying whether we need more ministers and departments for a population that will grow to 6 or 7 million. And they said it as if it is just happening and that's that, and these lads would know the general way of things in the upper echelons of decision making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Driving up the population by any means seems to be the plan alright but no party referred to it in the recent election, afaik.

    IIRC, back in 2017, Simon Coveney said the plan was to have the population back at pre-famine levels in 20 years time. It was 8.2m on the entire island of 32 counties back in 1841.

    He didn't clarify if the expected growth to 8.2m relates to the RoI only. On the island currently is about 7.17m, RoI 5.25m + NI 1.92m.

    So if he was referring to the 26 counties only, that would be an extra 3m in the next 13 years. The construction industry better get a move on 😂.

    He also said 1m would be born outside ireland but that milestone is well surpassed at this stage, as according to data published by Eurostat back in march, 22% of the current population was born outside the state giving us the fourth highest % of all the 27 EU countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭aziz


    Don’t forget that Leo said the country was too white



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I think you are right .

    I could see many returning from neighbouring countries but those who have come this far less likely .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's the truth and yes partly my opinion.

    You replied agreeing with half you say but stating your opinion which was different to mine . However I don't disagree with all you say at all just how we should go about it .

    Still reasonable in that both of our posts have merit and truth , just not necessarily the same opinion .

    So let's agree to disagree and leave it there .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Wow, didn't know or hear about that. Always learning on boards....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tom23


    Shure - just look at south korea. We could be just like them with their population density. Fingers crossed. Eamo Ryan be very happy wit that - next all we need is the wolves in the wild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Absolute drivel and lies. Both Ivana Bacik and Hazel Chu supported accomodation for asylum seekers in realtively wealthy parts of Dublin Bay South.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,143 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Was the escaped migrants that were caught in Rosslare ever re caught after escaping (that is not a tongue twister but a genuine question)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Did he. I missed that. Could you provide a link to him saying it please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭aziz


    https://www.businesspost.ie/home/analysis-varadkar-cites-lack-of-diversity-in-public-service/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Does anybody care what Varadkar thinks or posits these days? He had his moment in the sun, proved to be deeply unpopular, and will presumably recede further into obscurity with every passing year..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Think he was refering to the public sector at the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's paywalled. Could you quote where he said

    Don’t forget that Leo said the country was too white

    I did find this in the Dáil record.

    One point I strongly agree with the Deputy on is the need to set a target to have a number of people from ethnic minorities in areas of the public service. We have a health service that is very diverse, although less so as one goes up towards the senior positions, not so much in the Garda, the Defence Forces, the education sector, as the Deputy mentioned, and not at all in the Civil Service, which is very white, including the Department of Justice and Equality, for example. That needs to change. We need to have a target for people who come from ethnic minority backgrounds but also dedicated recruitment campaigns to encourage people because we need to ensure that a generation of young people of colour growing up in Ireland see black and brown school principals, judges and perhaps Cinn Comhairle in the future. Who knows? Visibility and opportunity are very important.

    No where does he say the country is too white, in fact I think most reasonable people would completely agree with what he said above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    That was one of the excuses used by the Nazis themselves, that they were not the first to use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Safe in the knowledge that almost any proposal will be blocked by local residents who tie it up in legals; sure, we will hear about St Mary's in Donnybrook but how many are in it? Just a handful I suspect, but can be rolled out as an example. Meanwhile, couple of places in Rathmines that are really dragging down the area, but a handful of investors are making out like bandits



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The truth is there are direct provision centres in wealthy areas of Dublin Bay South in Ranelagh, Rathmines, Leeson Street and Ballsbridge. St Mary's has 220. The stuff here about Ivana Bacik and Hazel Chu is all lies.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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