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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Its strange that they've jumped so quickly to shut down Syrians claiming asylum, yet there's people coming in from far safer countries.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’ve posted many things of substance and it gets belittled or ignored.

    There is no simple answer to this problem, solving the delay in processing asylum seekers without harming legitimate asylum seekers is incredibly complex. So I actually don’t have a solution to the current problem, it’s the least bad solution we have.

    Other people in this thread are proposing nonsense in response. It won’t work. If someone can propose something reasonable I’d love or hear it. Until then we continue to treat asylum seekers as well as possible, because they are human beings.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Gamergurll


    Hi, sorry your opinion is confusing me a little, you think we are continuing to treat asylum seekers as well as possible, but you also think they are in concentration camps? These two statements sound a bit conflicting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    That's the attitude that has us in the mess we are in. Yes, they are human beings, and human beings have flaws. One of them is selfishness, and to take advantage of people's good nature. We are being inundated with scammers who are taking advantage our caring and docile nature.

    The best way to deal with this problem, is it make it known that refugee status is not guaranteed, and they won't be free to roam the cities and the country the minute they arrive in the country.

    We are being taken for mugs and the dentention centres and deportations is the only way out of this. Saying 'It won't work' is defeatist and does nothing to address the issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    It won’t work so just do nothing. Imagine applying that logic to any other scenario or issue. Yes we may never stop abuse of the system completely. But we can take some steps to mitigate the issue surely



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    no, I said a proposed solution was like a concentration camps. Not the current system.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Who said “do nothing”?


    I rejected one proposal by a poster who wanted to lock everyone in detention camps and deport them within 2 weeks. It was a ridiculous proposal. Asylum application processing time needs to be sped up, but 2 weeks is a ridiculous goal.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    we already let them know refugee status isn’t guaranteed. So done.

    I’d like to hear how we prevent them “roaming” around cities.

    This is exactly be type of post I’m arguing with. There is no substance to it. It’s “do something we already do” + “do something, but I’m not saying how”


    The current system absolutely needs to change. But it has to change in a way that guarantees a right to fair process and protects human rights. No one is proposing any such solution.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,143 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We are obviously on polar opposites of the discussion and unlikey to meet in the middle . Dentention centres and deportations are the the answer to this, not rocking up to border control and being waved through. 1,000s of unknown men and currently roaming around the country, free to leave ipas centres at their leisure. Our lax laws are being taken advantage of, people abusing the asylum system to bypass the work visa system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Oh don't worry — in God's good time, this thread will have a new rotation of government ministers to obsessively blame for everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,068 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Drove passed the naas tented village yesterday off the newbridge road, it's bleedin massive



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    We aren't at opposite ends of the discussion though. I want common sense immigration laws and the IPA system to be fixed. I also believe there are bogus asylum seekers who shouldn't be allowed stay. The opposite of us is open borders, I don't want open borders.

    I think you are mischaracterising the situation if you think people are being waved through.

    We have to fix the system without punishing genuine refugees.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Just following the herd on this one. Our policies in this area aren't original or decisive, much less courageous or moral.

    Incidently, a lot of the bogus IPAS pretending to be Syrian will be sweating right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,682 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Sure their passport got "lost" they probably thought they were Syrian at one point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Look most people want stricter controls and faster processing on people coming here claiming asylum and not the "free for all" it looks like at the moment. You are against holding people waiting on process in detention centres, I think you referred to them as concentration camps, so where exactly should they be held so that it does not have an impact on the day to day business in the country like tourism etc? Just booking out hotels is not answer or disused paint factories or where ever else the government is looking to cram these people into.

    People claiming asylum and not producing documents are for me in a sort no man's land, firstly they can't nor they shouldn't be allowed into the country with no documentation so therefore must be held somewhere, Secondly they shouldn't be let roam around the country either until their claims have been processed so the answer is to detain them in detention centres where they will be looked after and are free to leave anytime they like but that is to return to where they came from. Similar if I head to Australia or US with no documents I would be held in a detention centre until I am processed and either let into the country or deported. I don't see why it is such a big issue for us to do that and people running around calling then concentration camps or other such hyperbole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Pointed out the casual.misinformation by that publication. The rest refers to the poster's reference to hatred of that party by other politicals / councillors , which I said was overstatng it( hyperbole) they just don't want anything to do with them

    It's quite clear from my post what was meant .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    What are you talking about there ?

    Read her statement .

    Have you a link to that piece of info , or is it just opinion gathered from Gript again ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,938 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Already being discussed apparently that it is under review as to whether it is a safe country as yet or not .

    I don't think those that are already here will be " sent back " and many will want to ensure it is safe before returning

    Let's face it Syrians ARE genuine refugees fleeing tyranny and war , which most people would not argue with.

    There are more groups one would have thought that would be in line for deportation / revoking of refugee status , without targeting genuine refugees the minute their country hits the news , but that is what is happening here .

    The dust needs to settle first before people can return home .



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    given my post; where do we disagree really? I think the current system is better than mass detention centers. I think that’s it.

    IRS not exactly “polar opposites”.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Where people are worked to death, starved or gassed, and only a small minority live from one year to the next? You think this is what is being proposed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I doubt any will want to return home they have refugee status with all the benefits!!

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Gamergurll


    It's actually insulting to victims of the Holocaust, not to mention the posters here who have not mentioned anything even comparable to concentration camps, and I can't believe those words were used



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Concentration Camps existed long before the Nazi's.

    They don't own the term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The current system allowed a triple murderer from Zimbabwe fly in and walk the streets.

    God knows how many others are using our system to flee countries over committing crimes.

    If a stranger knocked on your door in the middle of the night would you say ah sure look sleep on the chair it's cold out.

    In all walks of life you use common sense to reduce risk.

    Putting people in a detention centre with a bed and food is a far more sensible approach while finding out who they are.

    They are seeking refuge, they should be delighted with food and a roof over their head while their claim is decided.

    How that somehow is comparable to Jews being starved,tortured and murdered in concentration camps is something I can't get my head around, but that's where we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Sorry but that's a half truth! With the removal of Assad's regime the source of Tyranny in Syria has been removed.

    Syria needs its citizens back to rebuild the country, to populate it's towns and city's, to help influence its political future..

    You mention "Safe"… the millions of Syrians currently residing in Europe can provide safety for their country by joining a new Police force or Army, by bringing back €€€Millions in Western Currency to rebuild homes and businesses..

    Europe can't keep hosting millions of people from areas where conflicts may arise, it's unsustainable in many ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The current system allowed a triple murderer from Zimbabwe fly in and walk the streets.

    Alleged double murderer, who was arrested and deported.

    You do know all sorts of criminals fly into Ireland and out all the time perfectly legally?

    We have mass murderers "walk the streets" because we had conflict on this island for decades. We even elected some.

    Do you self fear monger over those or is it just the brown ones you are terrified of?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I am going to report your post for accusing me of being a racist in your last paragraph which I find disgusting, as I have family members with brown skin.

    The only person who mentioned the color of anyone's skin is you with an attempt at race baiting.

    Post edited by Necro on


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