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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    Just look at the economic crash here. Lots of people saw it coming but the vast majority of the public didn't.

    And the politicians buried their heads in the sand hoping it would pass over.

    This economic downfall will accelerate hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    another 20 billion which will be repaid using Russian own money

    ”The loan will be repaid using proceeds from frozen Russian assets.”


    another 30bn $ from rest of G7 using the same principles


    That’s quite smart as Trump now can’t just give Putin the 300bn back as it’s tied up as collateral in all sorts of loans to Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,843 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Few of the propagandists were claiming no more ATACMS strikes because of Russia's new Missile....well....

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    Slightly off topic but worth posting (Ukrainians shoulda all had guns)-

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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Why gun control?


    So 5 year old Jimmy doesn’t pick up the toy gun and pull the trigger killing Dada… which is multiple times more likely than being forced onto a boxcar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The smartest man in Russia.

    Maxim Fedorchenko



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well the right to bear arms is to prevent the government from illegally taking control of the whole country. Think Syria, Russia, N. Korea, 1930s Germany, Black and Tans etc…

    If it comes to the gun or the box car which do you choose? I'm not saying it is an easy choice.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I would expect in terms of legalities, the Ukrainian law banning negotiations with Russia would first have to be cancelled and the constitutionally dubious nature of Zelensky's regime would need to be clarified. The Russians have in the past said that Zelensky is not legitimate under the Ukrainian constitution (if I recall correctly they believe once Zelensky's term ran out without a successor, executive authority went to the speaker of the Ukrainian legislature). They're likely not going to negotiate with Zelensky and then have the deal declared null and void later by the Ukrainians on the grounds that Zelensky had no constitutional right to represent Ukraine.

    In the longer term, I expect Ukraine would need to make several constitutional changes: primarily restoring neutrality to their constitution (removed in 2014) and by revoking the constitutional requirement to join NATO that was inserted in 2017. And likely several other changes to properly protect ethnic minorities within Ukraine (primarily the Russians, but I'd expect other minorities would benefit too).

    The former neutrality pledges of Ukraine do show how hollow such promises are. NATO was campaigning to get Ukraine into NATO from at least 2008 (and certainly earlier) despite it being a policy that was both very unpopular with Ukrainians and unconstitutional for Ukraine. I doubt Russia is going to rely on promises alone this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Non sequitor.

    I have many firearms including one I wear routinely. I also have a son and daughter. Granted, neither is named "Jimmy", and the youngest is 6 years old, not 5, but still.

    The reason he doesn't pick up the 'toy' gun is that, well, firstly, as far as I know the only weapon he knows I have is a ceremonial sword (I claim it is used to defend the house against pirates, which he accepts), and secondly, I store my firearms in safes which he can't open even if he knew what was in them.

    Whether I can purchase my firearms is a gun control issue. Whether I am responsible with them is a family safety attitude issue, alongside not running with scissors, not leaving the carving knife on the kitchen counter, inserting plastic socket covers over the electrical outlets, and not leaving the chainsaw plugged in when I'm not next to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I'm sure Ukraine would be more than willing to restore neutrality to their constitution and revoke the requirement to join NATO but they'd expect one simple thing from Russia first; you stay on your side of the border and we'll stay on ours. If Russia could just do that, there would be no need for Ukraine to join NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Steviemak7


    Guns do nothing against artillery fire and missiles. Russia levels cities before they ever get into range of guns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The problem is that Russia views 4-5 oblasts of Ukraine as Russia and they don’t even control them fully (10-20 years would take at their glacial pace)

    So you see it’s Russia that needs to change its constitution undoing their recently added claims so talks can begin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,839 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    if Russia could be trusted to do that, there’d be no need for anyone to join NATO.


    If Russia disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow no one would miss them. They bring nothing but death & misery to anywhere unlucky enough to be in their path, and in that path for simply being better than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The Times wrote an article a few weeks back explaining the failure of the Ukrainian government to better protect its energy infrastructure. Apparently, at the start of the year British military engineers (deployed in Ukraine it seems) designed and tested some form of concrete structures to protect facilities from strikes, and shared it with the Ukrainians. 12 months later, nothing was built. Apparently the right people in the Ukrainian government departments were not bribed so they blocked any progress on the defences.

    When it [the rocket test] finished in February, the British engineers, alongside teams from America, Germany and Japan, advised their Ukrainian colleagues that they should build the structures to protect Ukraine’s energy grid from Russian attack. Yet nine months later, President Zelensky’s government has not done so, amid accusations that government corruption has stalled the work.

    Mustafa Nayyem, the head of the agency with the job of protecting critical infrastructure, resigned in June in protest at government failures, claiming that the project has been deliberately delayed by Kyiv’s refusal to release the funds allocated to carry it out. “It was impossible to work. When you see that the leadership of the government is creating some artificial obstacles for you, it’s useless,”

    His team suspect that the project was delayed because bribes were not paid to officials in the prime minister’s office who hold the purse strings. “They [the government] didn’t pay contractors; the contractors stopped all projects.”

    Ukraine’s presidential office, the prime minister’s office and energy ministry declined to comment.

    Critics say the move, as well as the cabinet reshuffle that accompanied it, only served to consolidate power in the hands of Zelensky’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, and his lieutenants. Government insiders say one of those lieutenants, Kyrylo Tymoshenko, is the informal gatekeeper for government building projects.A former official who worked closely with the president’s office alleged that Tymoshenko demanded a 10 per cent fee from the companies to select and present their projects for approval. The former official alleged that Tymoshenko kept large amounts of “dirty” cash and distributed this cash to unofficial “volunteer” advisers in the presidential office. 

    Ukraine is infamously corrupt, but I would have thought the current conflict would have concentrated minds. Sadly it seems in this case the corruption goes all the way to the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    That sounds good on paper, but in 2008 (when Ukraine entirely held its 1991 borders, and Russia was on the other side of them) NATO announced Ukraine would become a member of NATO.

    I think its unlikely a promise will suffice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Speaking of Energy

    Power plant mysteriously exploded in Crimea

    And Transnistria is next to fall after Syria

    In few weeks transit of gas via Ukraine to them ends, and the power plant in transnistria which they used free (to them) Russian gas will literally run out of gas, so emergency is being declared to ration gas

    Transnistria used that power plant to hold Moldova ransom and earn them funds, Moldova built connections to Romania and Ukraine

    Putin’s empire build on @Sand is falling apart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    If you are so concerned, why not volunteer your services and head over to assist with the construction?

    For context, Ireland haven't built a whole pile of transmission infrastructure in the last 12 months either. Are Ireland corrupt?

    You can't blame them for not delivering in a war zone. They have more important things to do like repel the murdering rapists transvering their borders.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Russian Windows ‘24

    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1866799986572488964?t=0SpNhzeW4Pi-kISZBeXgFw&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    this poster reminds me of a chicken whos head has just been chopped of by a farmer. Knowing fully its the end but still running around wihtout its head trying to prove something. Sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭deadduck


    I don't think anyone will argue there are issues with systemic corruption in Ukraine, but this is largely due to it having been a part of the USSR.

    It's one of the reasons Ukraine wants to remove itself from Russia's sphere of influence, and more align itself with the EU.

    And also one of the reasons Russia doesn't want them to align with or join the EU, as the Ruskies prefer the old-fashioned corruption.

    Russian corruption is one of the main reasons the same prick is running the place for over 2 decades, ffs. And Russia might have the neck to claim Zelenskyy's presidency is somehow invalid? **** off!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Long thread on why Putin losing Syria and why the new lot there will be interested and already aligned in making money by transiting Qatari, Saudi and Egyptian gas to Turkey and Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Mannesmann




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Russia now telling it's citizens to evacuate the USA.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-tells-its-citizens-avoid-travel-west-2024-12-11/

    Hopefully the atacms attack won't cause further escalation. Trump seems to be flagging an end to the war but who knows where this is going.

    Also there was this.

    Won't be long until the three year anniversary. To think in 2022 at the outbreak people were still going on about COVID.

    The likelihood of nuclear war is regularly dismissed here but have to admit, it doesn't sound great to me.

    I wonder what it'll be next year. Hopefully not closer to midnight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,222 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭Polar101


    One other thing that might help with these "concerns" is that if Russia would stop firing ballistic missiles at civilian targets. But war crimes are not an escalation in the vatnik playbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Russians are telling their citizens to avoid Western counties, which is an easy one for them declare since their citizens for the most part can't freely enter the US, EU etc… without jumping through a million hoops at least.

    It's just another pathetic attempt to sound bigger than they are. Another one of those "Don't cross this red line or we'll use Nukes!" moments. How many are we at now? 6? 8? Those nukes must be coming any day now that Ukraine had gotten their hands on Leopards, F16s, ATACMS and have used all of the above on actual Russian territory.

    Or maybe, just maybe, the Russian state is such a basketcase that not only can they not defend their protectorates overseas, but they haven't the ability to maintain a functioning nuclear arsenal. That all they've got are meat waves, and one day those are going to stop working too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Accidental gun deaths of children is one of the major causes of deaths by children in the US.


    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7250a1.htm

    Number of US children/Adults forced onto boxcars, zero.



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