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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,093 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You forgot to mention that all the fault of the warmongers in the US, who "forced" Russia to invade and "forced" Ukraine to stand and fight. Somehow they also "forced" Russia into conducting the war with atrocity, war crime after war crime, rape, execution of civilians.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭yagan


    I see in the news that Trump has demanded a ceasefire in the conflict via his truthsocial platform. I wonder if the Syrian collapse has rattled Putin to get on the blower to Trump to attempt to salvage some form of victory in Ukraine.

    Taking that bit of the Kursk region grows more valuable as a bargaining chip as Putin's forces weaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Come on everyone knows it’s all part of a larger Zionist conspiracy

    • In 80s the DeEpStAtE CIA directorate turned a mid level apparatchik in Berlin
    • With their help he rapidly rose thru the St Petersburg mafia and became the president of Russian federation
    • Where he proceeded to eradicate Muslims in Chechnya
    • He then came with an ingenious final solution for the Russian demographic problem
    • By starting a war that killed and wounded 750,000 Russian men
    • Hence laying the economic foundations for long term Russian bride exports
    • And now the second best army in world is not able to regain Kursk because each time they get fried by Jewish space lasers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Peskov repeats once again Russia's position and conditions following Trumps comments.

    "We have carefully read the statement made by US President-elect Donald Trump after his meeting with Macron and Zelensky in Paris. President Putin has repeatedly said that Russia is open to negotiations on Ukraine and welcomes peace initiatives, primarily from the countries of the Global South, our BRICS partners - China, India, Brazil, South Africa, as well as the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are working on the humanitarian track.

    Our position on Ukraine is well known. The conditions for an immediate cessation of hostilities were outlined by President Putin in June of this year in his speech at the Russian Foreign Ministry. It is important to recall here that it was Ukraine that refused and continues to refuse negotiations. Moreover, Zelensky, by his decree, banned himself and his administration from any contacts with the Russian leadership. This position has not changed. Meanwhile, to enter a peaceful trajectory, Zelensky only needs to cancel this decree and give instructions to resume dialogue based on the Istanbul agreements and taking into account the realities on the ground.

    As for the figures given about losses on both sides, it is obvious that they are presented in the Ukrainian interpretation and reflect the official position of Ukraine. The real figures of losses are completely different. Ukrainian losses are many times higher than the losses on the Russian side.Further continuation of such a pace leads to the complete exhaustion of the Ukrainian army and a decrease in the mobilization age to 18 years, as well as the tightening of forced mobilization. However, even all this will not change the catastrophic situation developing for the Ukrainian army. For Ukraine itself and international observers, this is not news."

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,093 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "This is not news."

    Yep.

    Just another load of utterly disingenuous Russian lies, presented without scrutiny.

    Every lie from Russia is an admission when a Russian spokesperson opens their mouth. Russian casualties are many multiples of that of Ukraine, the only question is which multiple.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭scottser


    Everything your mates the Russians have done to others deserves to be done back to them ten times over. Steal their children, destroy their dams, bomb their apartment blocks, decimate their energy supplies and let them freeze over winter. See how you like it for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Here's a Documentry just released for us to watch on this lazy Sunday. Kings and Generals is a great channel and worth subscribing to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like first thing is for Ukraine to amend it's constitution to even allow talks to start which other posters have correctly mentioned earlier. It sounds difficult to even start discussing things before that happens, pointless even discussing things if it is illegal to do so.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Sounds like the first thing, is for Russia to acknowledge that peace talks isn't just giving them everything they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Given Trumps suggestions about China's leading role in things everything will need to be legal before any talks can even start. Also with Zelensky's collapsing recent approval ratings from his citizens, approving negotiations when he has previously rejected far better terms could be the last straw to his Presidency.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,093 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, first thing is to stop presenting the mouths of Putin eg Peskov, as any sort of credible sources of information, instead of the lying apologists for rapists and war criminals that they in reality are - and subjecting their propaganda to basic scrutiny on the moral and political level.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Russia has already given it's criteria for peace. Give them everything they want. Trying to deflect from that isn't going to change reality.

    What part of their constitution needs to be changed? To make things "legal"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I don't think we know what exactly Russia's terms are at the moment. The last position was clearly set out by Putin in June before the Swiss conference, but that was again quickly rejected by Zelensky and Nato so maybe it has changed now.

    First thing is for Zelensky to allow formal talks to commence under Ukrainian law going by the official statement.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    We do know because they told us and haven't indicated any change.

    So no change to the constitution then? Why did you claim it needed to be changed?

    So what needs to be changed to make things "legal"?

    Which official statement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,093 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, first thing is for Russia to show good faith in negotiations for the first time under Putin, instead of just demands for surrender and to "Sudetenland" Ukraine and to seek to obtain by bad faith diplomacy what it could not obtain through its illegal war of aggression.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Your lads are taking one he’ll of a beating… tell… tell us again how great a super power Russia is. It gets me every time 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I don't know the legalities to comment, just that it has been officially stated from all officials including Putin himself. I would be sure that they have had their constitutional lawyers look at things to come to that conclusion themselves.

    Either way, it is Ukraine who are requesting negotiations now not the other way round so these concerns need to be sorted going by the official announcement.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    So your dismissal of those figures relies primarily on the Russians accurately striking Ukranian positions with their various long range weapons. Sounds like you haven't been paying attention - there's ample evidence (geolocated and corroborated by reliable sources) of the Russians bombing themselves and innocent Ukranians with much of their weaponry; but very little showing them hitting staffed military targets.

    As for "why would they talk about conscripting 18 year olds" … eh, the only "they" talking about that are Americans and miscellaneous other Westerners. Zelenskyy has been very clear on the matter: there's no point conscripting 18-year-olds while the 25-year olds still haven't received all the weaponry and munitions that were promised. Russian, on the other hand, is already indoctrinating eight-year-olds - what does that say about the manpower situation on the Russian side?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭zv2


    He forgot that the Russian economy is going to go belly up next year. Let's see them negotiate that.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Russian colonists who were stealing Syrian oil are now trapped according to Russians themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    News from Russia.

    Police clamp down on young people going out clubbing on Saturday night. Putin heard the word club and suspected there may be young males there for the frontlines available.

    Police announce they've foiled a terror attack on authorities from people from Dagestan.

    A strategic microelectronic enterprise goes bankrupt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    So you just made it up.... Glad we cleared that up.

    I don't suppose you will be providing sources for those officially stated statements.....

    It not like you jumped on some talking points you liked with no understanding....

    Where did Ukraine request negotiations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,151 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Genuine peace hasn't been offered. Putin has bombed the country 24/7, never offered a ceasefire and never proposed an actual real stop to the invasion.

    He has however offered fake overtures, false talks, sham referendums, etc (which his sympathisers project as real)

    Now that Trump is getting in, despite his instability and whims, there's a possibility of ending this. Or not. It depends on Putin (who can end all this at any moment of his choosing).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,151 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I see a figure of 400k being mentioned by Trump. Not sure the context, could be total dead/injured in Ukraine or a large figure given to him for various reasons. Just the usual heads-up, anti-Ukrainian individuals will want to latch onto this and concern troll about Zelensky/West/Media "lying" about casualties. Just to pre-empt the usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The context is that Zelenskyy himself publicly stated that, to date, 380k Ukrainians have been injured in the conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭zv2


    For a while I have been of the opinion that UA casualties are about 50% of Russian casualties.

    380 x 2 = 760.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Trump has said 600,000 dead Russians

    Gonna quote that one every time now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The only down side for Ukraine is the Russian air force that was operating in Syria will now be able to focus on Ukraine. It wasn't a huge amount but every little helps.

    Imagine bombing the **** out of the rebels for over a decade including the last 2 weeks and then saying this with a straight face. Hopefully Turkey rents the base off them instead.



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