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Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,052 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it is the mother who has been arrested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,650 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's already been explained that this is - quite rightly - the sort of thing that schools, and if necessary social workers, can and do check up on.

    Obviously. Otherwise you could murder a child and just say they've been taken to Northern Ireland to go to school and nobody would ever be any the wiser. If that's a genuine obstacle to child safeguarding, then the law needs to be changed to allow it.

    Luckily that isn't the case.

    Similar for the idea that nobody can possibly identify the child. It's such a silly claim it's hardly worth replying to yet again, but for example, how about asking the child's teacher to provide some work or a drawing that the child did in school and then asking the child to talk about what he did there? You could ask about names of friends etc to be completely sure. I guarantee that no child that age is practised enough in pretending to be somebody else for it not to be completely obvious with even gentle probing.

    Get the teacher to provide a class photo.

    There are all sorts of ways. If it were genuinely impossible due to child safeguarding laws, then there's such a problem with those laws that again, they need to be changed. But they don't. Well, not for that reason anyway. As was explained earlier.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭CPTM


    The only thing is that there was no mention of an extradition. So does that imply the mother has finally voluntarily come home to face the music? That is of course, if it is the mother..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,052 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Paul Reynolds on RTE News said the woman had been out of the country, that would be in line with the mother being in the UK? I just hope his siblings are safe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    A snippet from the BBC Spotlight programme tonight.

    'She lied to me about Kyran or police have it wrong'

    If anyone here lives up North, are in the UK or have a VPN workaround, the programme is available now to watch on the BBC iPlayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,638 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Hopefully see the end of this very sad case soon, the culprit locked up and let the young lad rest in peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,507 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    There really does need to be a public inquiry though, an investigation by Tusla that will not be made public is BS. Sure no one will be held accountable and the same thing can just happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hopefully this savage spends the rest of her life in prison. No wishy washy blaming society and using mental health as an excuse.

    Is there a mob outside the police ststion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    It's not known what station she is being held at, all that was said is it's in the northeast. Gardaí tend to do this, depending on the case, and especially for one as high profile and emotive as this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Agree. Whoever it was that reported him missing, but reported him last seen 2days prior needs to face some sort of consequence if they were a state employee.

    There should be a gsoc equivalent for Tusla staff imo. Something where fines or some kind of discipline can be given out. When it comes to child welfare, it's not appropriate that civil service culture applies to things in there. It's simply not good enough to say "whoops" and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Just watched that on BBC iPlayer. Lots of questions and not just about the mother. Have RTE done similar at all ? BBC NI even went to her current address to stomp at the door.

    As for Tulsa, and any possible staff getting reprimanded , likely outcome is system issues and it will all be ignored. Just like HSE cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Lessons will be learnt,

    re-training, etc.

    yadda, yadda, yadda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The BBC programme raises serious questions regarding Dayla Durnin's actions. Aswell as bringing a decoy child to the TUSLA meetings, she also sought emergency accommodation from Louth Co council and presented a boy as Kyran.

    The interview audio from the grandmother is also quite chilling.

    Dayla "suffers with mental health" according to her mother…

    Someone suffering from mental health issues doesn't undertake a sustained campaign of deception regarding the whereabouts of their child nor do they undertake to present decoy children to avoid or delay suspicion. Those are planned and meticulous actions to avoid arrest, not the actions of someone in mental health crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,650 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Also, who was the boy who was presented as Kyran, and is he safe?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    According to the reporter, the boy was the son of a man she was seeing. Said man refused to speak to the reporter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,650 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Can you imagine if your new partner wanted to borrow your child because they needed to pretend he was their child to a social worker? Jesus. Red flag doesn't begin to describe that situation.

    I'd seriously wonder how well that child is being cared for, too, for that to be something that can happen in his life.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    there are so many questions that need to be asked in this case and I don’t think they will all be answered certainly not in public.

    But the biggest ones are what happened to the poor child? Where is he? Why? Are his siblings ok (they seem to have been forgotten about).

    How did all the adults in his life fail him so badly? Mum, gran, friends of the family, extended family.

    Then the institutional failings need to be thoroughly investigated school, tusla etc


    The entire story is horrific.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    From watching Spotlight tonight, Dayla, her mother Rhonda and her boyfriend(father of the decoy boy) should be facing criminal prosecution. And anyone else who is complicit in the cover up.

    TUSLA have questions to answer, like not having photos of who they're supposed to be interviewing. There needs to be joint up thinking on this island between State bodies, and follow-up when someone potentially claims their child has moved jurisdiction, which could be as little as a few kilometres.

    Like when Dayla told the school that Kyran was attending, that he had moved up North to live with his Dad. The school should have an onus to inform authorities up North of this and TUSLA here, so they can verify this. As it stands, it seems like they just wash their hands and take things as given fact with no responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,837 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    It's so very, very complex. Let's hope all agencies learn lessons.

    It's too late now, but so horrendously callous. No mitigating circumstances, for all concerned. I imagine there are a few involved. Disgusting.

    Maybe this will give the next government a kick in the arse for more prisons and expecially more funding to mental health and child welfare in a responsible manner.

    Throwing money isn't a solution l.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭Packrat


    "Lets hope all agencies learn lessons" Jesus Christ...

    Straight out of the public "service" playbook.

    It's not one bit complex. It's murder with a state body accomplice - Tusla.

    The only people who have skin left in this game are Tusla - and they'll save their own skins don't worry,

    Lessons will be learned

    Lessons will be learned

    Lessons will be learned

    Lessons will be learned

    Lessons will be learned....

    Golden handshake,

    Gilt edged pension,

    Summer villa in Lanzarotte, "shhhsh, don't tell them we own it"

    "Sure I'm just a poor retired civil servant on a pension"

    Fkking Banana Republic doesn't even cover it...

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭csirl


    Tusla is such a basketcase of an organisatiion that it would be easier to close it down and start from scratch.

    They still follow protocols which have been debunked as unsafe time and time again in various reports/enquiries. They have a tendency only to deal with an alleged suspect who's word they accept without question. Naturally enough most suspects cover their own tracks. The reports of them accepting the word of the mother that the child is Kyron is a classic example. When investigating something they simply dont engage with or seek information from obvious third party sources e.g. school, Gardai etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I think any tiny lingering doubt over the identity of the woman arrested yesterday has all but been removed.

    The woman, who is believed to be in her 20s, had been abroad for a period of time but was arrested in Ireland yesterday on suspicion of murder.

    It is understood that she was known to Kyran and has been a person of interest in the case for some time, and that gardaí have spoken to her on a number of occasions.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1211/1485797-kyran-durnin-investigation/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Anyone know what time she either has to be released or charged?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    It would be difficult to tell, you don’t know what, if any, rest periods she availed of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    I'm presuming there will be more this evening as to whether she is charged or released. I'm not sure if they can request an extension to her detention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    There was cop on the news this morning saying there will likely be no more news on this case for at least a few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,638 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Just watching the BBC NI doc, jez this story gets sadder every time you hear it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I have so many questions. How can she walk out of there with no charges whatsoever? OK, so without evidence of a body, a murder, DNA, a confession, they can't get her for murder. But where is he then? Why didn't she inform the authorities if she's innocent and concerned about his well-being? Why did she deceive TUSLA with a decoy boy? Who's caring for her other 2 children? Is she raising them? Surely there is some charge they can get her on? Wreckless endangerment?



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