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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    exactly, those responsible for the Madrid train bombings and the Bataclan atrocities are now known simply as ‘rebels’

    I suggest that the Provisional IRA also responsible for atrocities be known as ‘rebels’ in future. Might as well call those who carried the Omagh bombing ‘rebels’ too. Where do I stop? The Shankill butchers were ‘rebels’ ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,563 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Maybe I wasn't clear or you misread but I did not say it "didn't matter" (or I did not mean that).

    I just expressed an opinion it is better Assad is gone now, and good to see him fall. It opens a possibility for change.

    It is going to have to be quite bad to be worse than Assad, and as said, it seems clear to me now (I admit was not following what is going on in Syria) he must have actually had almost 0 real internal support among people there for a long time.

    Far less even than very unpopular rulers like Iran's have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I have heard it all now Al-Qaeda rebranded are the least worst option... We will see how many Syrians thinks that in a year or so. No doubt many of the Syrians in Ireland will relish going back to live in the HTS utopia. Those torture prisons won't be long filling up again under their rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,867 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, are you saying the Syrians now in Ireland are champing at the bit to get back to Syria and become torturers? Did a Syrian run over your dog?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I think he is saying it’s a pity that there isn’t a strongman anymore to “keep a lid” on the locals in Syria

    Apparently gasing your people and torturing them in prisons is all kosher for the far Left who I suppose have a long history of keeping a “lid on” all sorts of poor sods



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Many of the political ones that fled were the hardliners and jihadi supporters, the ones with the children t-shirt stayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's kinda funny (not really), but I feel the need to remind everyone what Al Qaeda did 23 years ago.

    Untitled Image

    This wasn't just the most devastating terrorist attack in the US, but in the WORLD.

    These are now the type of people in control of a Nation, with all the resources of said nation at their disposal.

    Some would do well to remember that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭Cordell


    This wasn't just the most devastating terrorist attack in the US, but in the WORLD

    And that's why the whole world should join in for the destruction of Syrian military capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    For the second time in this thread you are making arguments which can be equally applied to Palestine / Lebanon dumpster fires next door



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,867 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I detect statistics pulled from the air. Just as reasonable to say, "A few" where you said "many." You don't know, but it feels good to claim it, amiright?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    British cabinet minister Pat McFadden, when he was asked by Sky News, said the government has no plans to consider whether Shamima Begum should be allowed to return to the UK.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shamima-begum-isis-syria-180513279.html

    I'm puzzled as to why Labour is still adhering to former Home Secretary Sajid Javid's decision to strip her of her citizenship, given that she hasn't even been charged with a crime. After all, Starmer is a human-rights lawyer, isn't he? It's not like the public would even remember Begum 5 years from now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,817 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Is there anything to potentially point to this rebellion actually being a good thing for Syria in the long run?

    In these types of cases, there tends to be jubilation at the start, then a couple of years later the place is in a worse state, with the liberator simply being the new dictator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    How much worse can it get compared to what Syria was in last 15 or so years?

    • more chemical weapons be used?
    • More than 350,000 people killed again?
    • Millions more have their homes destroyed and made refugees
    • Thousands brutally tortured?
    • Barrel bombs for every child
    • GDP per capita falling another 10x?

    the jubilation is from Syrians themselves both in Syria and abroad, everyone else is weary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No one knows if it will be good or bad. Just people have the feeling that putting the former second in command of ISIS who still has a $10 million bounty on his head, whose organization is designated as a terrorist one by US, UN and EU, so maybe a few people have a slight bad feeling what will happen to ordinary Syrians because of that for some reason.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Nope! At least not until they have proved that they can be trusted as a government of and for the people. The goal now seems to be the removal of as much weapons as possible to reduce or eliminate the possibility of another war starting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The Turkish backed rebels are killing wounded Kurds in their hospital beds after taking Manbij.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    The only thing that I think looks hopeful is that at least this mostly seems to involve domestic players for who Syria is home. Yes, there was Saudi money funding ISIS in a proxy war against Shiites and non muslims, but ISIS now seems to be restricted to very limited areas in the east and are probably now considered an outside influence by the new regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what do you suggest be done about it Brickster69, the world is well aware of what Syria is facing. And possibly other country's too, given the extremely volatile middle east.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Has that footage been verified? The US and Turkey agreed to ensure the safe withdrawal of the SDF from Manbij. Surely, the SDF would've taken their wounded personnel with them, wouldn't they?

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/rebels-take-north-syria-town-us-backed-group-turkish-source-says-2024-12-09/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭jmreire


    At the very least, it has removed one monstrous dictator from being in control. Now of course is a time of uncertainty, with at least a chance for a better life for Syrians. On the world scale, it has severely damaged if not completely destroyed several hardline Islamic entities, hopefully beyond repair. For one,making the future for Irans Theocracy uncertain to say the least.They were big supporters of Hesbollah and Hamas, who have been causing much destruction and terror in that part of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I would have thought people wouldn't be so stupid as to film themselves committing a war crime, but there's various footage out there of horrible retributions incidents taking place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Israel is not doing anything now that any other Country would not do, under the same circumstances. Pre-emping the possibility of future attacks by destroying weapon stockpile's is just defensive common sense, and so is taking the high ground. Failure to do so, would be leaving them wide open to future attacks and failure. Talking about illegally occupying land, sure, going by the law, but thats something thats scarce in that part of the world,and enforcing it even a bigger problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,290 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I wonder where this fella is now? They have him down as transferring billions out of Syria on behalf Assad in the past.

    Rami Makhlouf - Wikipedia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    so what, israel is allowed in to steal the whole or most of syria, occupy it and implement their own fundamentalist religious theocracy?

    a theocracy which, at it's heart, is just as fundamentalist and brutal as the worst islamic theocracy to anyone it sees as beneath it, lets not forget.

    one that is happy to engage in industrial rape and slaughter.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    well, he's a human rights lawyer who has in a roundabout way justified israely war crimes and continues to arm them to commit genocide.

    he is also in terror of the reform loons who would strip everyone they believe not to be pure british of their citizenship so i'm not surprised he and the labour government are burying their head in the sand on this one.

    interesting times ahead though, do hts throw open the camps and deport foreign nationals or do they use them as soldiers to implement their theocracy.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,422 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Hard to not think that there will be another brutal civil war to come, given the extremist nature of the factions involved. Turkey has become a majorly destabilising influence in the region over the last decade plus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    israel is simply doing what it needs to so they can at least, illegally hold on to and occupy the syrian golon heights as they have been illegally doing, or so they can steal more syrian territory because they want more land as part of there greater israel project.
    they aren't pre-empting anything or doing anything pre-emptive, just like they weren't with the 1967 and 1973 land grabs.
    they are going to be open to even greater attacks now because they are attempting to engage in a greater illegal occupation because someone wrote in a book that they are entitled to more and more land.

    not to mention that any faction in syria has a legitimate right to attack and expell the occupiers of the golon heights by all means necessary.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Their last radar post on the south of mount hermon had a blind spot, due to the mountain, to drones etc.

    That no longer is a problem.



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