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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Easy to see why he fled……he didnt want to experience the horrors of Sednaya, or its sister institutions..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But they forgot to tell the Russians,, they were really caught on the wrong foot..lots of their troops now trapped, and Putin has asked Turkey to take them until a rescue can be arranged. I sure as hell would not like to be a Russian soldier sourrounded by HTS right now,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I don't blame them. It's like an insurance policy. They are also taking out stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Do you have a plan for how the weapons could be safely transported to Ukraine, rather than end up in Islamist or Russian hands?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When the Afghans kicked the Russians out, civil war ensued. And bloody and bitter civil war it was. Then from the Pakistani Madrassas (religious schools) poured thousands of well-armed Taliban (students) who in the beginning were welcomed by Afghans because they restored the peace. it was short lived, as Afghans saw first hand what kind of government they had brought with them. And the rest is history, but blaming the CIA etc, is bullcrap. Pakistan is and always has been the prime mover for the Taliban, they kept them active during their 20-year exile and will do so again if they have to. Pakistan was controlling Afghanistan via the Taliban from the time the civil war ended. But now it has changed, the Taliban are well armed (thank you, Uncle Sam) and with their ethnic Pashtun brothers in Pakistan, form a very large group, if they ever decided to turn on Pakistan. It would be very ironic if the group that Pakistan nourished were to turn on their masters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Great excuse for stealing more land and killing more Arabs as well, two things Israel loves more than anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Come on Rogber they are not doing that. I mean 250 airstrikes in 48 hours against a newly" liberated " Syria is only self defense after all. Taking all this territory is just a buffer zone to protect the Golan heights which they have illegally occupied and annexed for the last 50 years.

    Should be fun to see these UN security meetings, the boards international law experts and the media spin this land grab as not actually breaking international law but merely Israel upholding it.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    South west of Syria are Christians and they are more than happy to be under Israeli protection now with Kurds up north west also asking for help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Israel is a nuclear armed state

    It’s only fair they carve out a sphere of influence to defend against NATO encirclement and Nazis next door

    Ain’t that what your buddies in Orwell road and yourself been preaching in parallel thread /s

    But now your puppet has fucked up decades of careful imperial building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Didn't take long did it ? You mean what Israel is doing by bombing another country and violating it's territorial integrity is perfectly fine now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    you repeatedly make excuses and are cheering for your Russian handlers in parallel thread doing just that

    Which makes your fake hypocritical crying here all the more hilarious

    Hence my sarcastic post which highlights just how stupid Russian colonial rhetoric you spread is

    Should have added an /s as your translator is not capable of comprehending subtle sarcasm 🙃

    Now I’m gonna go make popcorn and try to see how your lot try to spin Putin begging NATO to save his troops stranded in Syria (oh remind us again what Russians were doing there in first place?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Makes sense. They aren't Arabs so Israel does not view them as subhuman scum and might make a vague effort not to kill them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The region is a dumpster fire, but that’s precisely what the far Left wanted for three decades

    Middle East left to Middle Easterners by Middle Easterners who have now sent the last European Empire out of region scurrying with tail between their chemical weapon stained legs

    Perhaps our fellow BRICS representative above get the Chinese, Indians, Russians, Brazilians, South Africans to send troops and become the world policeman

    Or at least send troops to UN peacekeeping missions nearby like little Ireland does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,274 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    One is forced to, inevitably, wonder I suppose. But when we hear who these so called "rebels" are made up of, it doesn't fill one with any kind of positive foresight. The Assad's Alawite dictatorship - over half a century of it - may have been a cruel one to his enemies, but the fact is he was keeping a lid on a lot worse over there. His prisons may be getting emptied now, but they might not remain empty for long. Or maybe this glorious rebellion might just resort to summarily executing the people they don't like instead.

    I may be wrong. I hope I am…and this turns out to be new and optimistic future for Syria (the same way Bashar Al Assad's government was greeted when he took over from his father 24 years ago).

    But deep down I fear that there's going to be a lot of people, who are cheering now, ending up with an abundance of egg on their face. Because there's a smack of Larry Dunne's famous quote about all of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    He and his Russian buddies killed 350,000 people

    If I pop into the Gaza thread and say “Israel are keeping a lid on Palestinians” you would quite rightfully explode in anger

    But here you are, apparently some middle easterners are more worthy of outrage at being killed en masse by brutal regimes than others

    I am gonna borrow that euphemism “keeping a lid”, it’s up there with “collateral damage”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't know how the world appears from that high horse of yours, but here, in the common sense land, we don't need another heavily armed islamic theocracy, there are more than enough already and it's not good for anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,274 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    As usual, a stupid, simplistic and an ultimately pointless & needling reply. And introducing complete non-sequiturs, too, into the bargain.

    You seem to be labouring under the delusion that just because I'm not waving a little HTS flag (a group defined as a terrorist organisation by Britain and the US) that I am, perhaps, letting Assad off of the hook, despite the fact that there was nothing in my post doing so.

    As is characteristic of your posting since you've deigned us with your presence, your reply is needlessly antagonistic which is the reason you're on the ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    These are chiefly Islamists. After 13 years we have a fairly good grasp of who's who.

    Assad didn't keep a lid on anything, a couple of kids wrote some graffiti on a school, he had them beaten, there were peaceful protests and he held a brutal violent crackdown. All at a time when there was serious anger over food stock and serious strain. He let that spin out of control on his watch. Then he had 10's of thousands of people tortured and murdered, sparked a regional conflict, indirectly created ground zero for Islamic fundamentalists, created millions of refugees and ended up being one of the few leaders in the world to gas his own people.

    As much as other components were at play, most of this is on him (and his brother) and as a result of his decisions.

    Naturally people are delighted he's gone.

    I haven't come across anyone who isn't dubious of HTS at best. The country is still at war, still fractured, with many factions vying for control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It's starting already from what i see. You would imagine quite a lot of people fleeing to Turkey shortly and then no doubt Erdogan will be asking for another " sultan's " ransom or he will open the floodgates to the West again.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,274 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Without a doubt, Basher Al Assad ran a regime that was a cruel dictatorship and there would be few who'd be rooting for him. However, Assad wasn't toppled by a democratic conglomerate of rebels who have a liberally minded view of Syria's future. He was toppled by a group that includes the likes of Al Nusra Front, Al Queda and ISIS.

    A sobering thought for anyone who isn't viewing this from a simplistic Team A/Team B perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    The heavily armed Islamic theocracy and even more heavily armed colonialist Jewish state full of theocrats are 2 sides of the one coin and they feed off each other. The region is a basket case full of idiotic religious and ethnic hatred and it's the innocent civilians on all sides I feel sorry for, especially the women. Your blind focus on one side only is typical of the mentality that keeps the conflict going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭Cordell


    My focus is on that side who wants more than half of Europe as their caliphate - so disarming them and ideally making them disappear is a common sense goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    While it was party time in Damascus, the Israeli's were busy sinking the Syrian fleet.

    Similar scenes at Syrian airbases where it looks like the Israeli's also managed to catch a significant amount of the Syrian air force on the hop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I ain’t waving HST flag either and already posted that they seem at this point of time the least worst option for the locals on ground (and those Syrians abroad) whom are cheering and celebrating for them, they may yet turn out to be like Taliban

    Oh and they drove the colonial Russians who used to drop chemical weapons on Syrians for a decade, out, which is good in every book

    But it’s amusing how those moaning about Palestinian genocide so easily dismiss with euphemisms the murder of a magnitude more people next door

    Apparently some piggies are created more equal than others

    Aside; try to “keep a lid” on your anger, you were the one to have walked right in the waving the hypocrisy flag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I think Putin and the mighty Russian airforce you get so excited over must have sent more Syrian refugees fleeing into to Europe over the years than "Sultan" Erdogan ever did…

    Anyways, isn't it wonderful to see Assad fall from power don't you think, regardless of what comes after now?

    Fact it all happened so quickly really means he must have had almost zero internal (i.e. Syrian) support. His army was unwilling fight for him. I don't think these groups had some big military/equipment advantage over his army on the ground.

    So he was in effect a horrible and brutal ruler imposed on a country by a bunch of predatory and mercenary outside military powers, main one being Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,563 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I keep thinking how Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and Catherine Connolly decided to be a mouthpiece for Assad. And how they had pictures smiling in Syria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Did Catherine Connolly actually go to Syria?

    Mick Wallace in particular was disgraceful. He spread Kremlin propaganda insinuating that the White Helmets were the ones responsible for the atrocities that the Syrian Army were conducting. They'll never admit they were wrong. They'll find some way to blame America. That's the only gear they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    I don't think one democratic state would ever work, base case scenario is probably that it breaks up into 3 or 4 different territories and each group can run their own show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241209-stories-emerge-of-underground-city-of-torture-from-sednaya-prison-in-damascus/

    More horror stories about how Assad ( whom Russian shills are crying about ) tortured prisoners in a whole underground city

    Some like @Tony EH refer to this barbaric practice with euphemisms like “keeping a lid on”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It does matter what comes after, it really really matters, especially in a region as unstale and as volatile as the middle east. Yes it is great the Assad has been removed and fled the country but what comes next is vitally important for not only Syria but for the whole of the middle east to just blatantly dismiss it as you have with the "regardless what comes now" line is just ridiculous. No one knows what sort of system the rebels will put in place, they could go like the Taliban or they could be more democratic but it just can't be dismissed because one brutal dictator is gone when what comes next could be as bad or even worse.



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