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Which carriage is first class on the Dublin to Belfast train?

  • 04-12-2024 08:56AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭


    As per title

    Thanks in advance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    On the Enterprise trains, it's carriages A&B, they'll be the first two after the ticket gates if boarding at Connolly. This does mean you'll be boarding/disembarking at the far end of the platform on the Belfast end though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭One More Toy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,286 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    First class, in a republic? Hmmmph!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Be aware that the first-class offering differs on various trains due to the expanded hourly service

    https://www.irishtimes.com/your-money/2024/11/21/i-feel-iarnrod-eireann-are-just-running-down-the-time-and-hoping-i-will-go-away/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Annoyingly the timetable does not tell you which services have catering and which do not, it is a very very different service and product. depending on what set it is . You used to be able to tell this on the timetables. https://www.irishrail.ie/getmedia/e2b3c3ca-bcde-407b-b9d5-c41bcaf0c373/09-Dublin-Belfast_1.pdf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,722 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The catering is clearly shown here:

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/travel-information/rail-onboard-catering#belfast

    Full first class applies to any train with the higher 1st class supplement in the journey planner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Yes indeed. My point was you used to be able to tell from the timetable PDFs which service had catering and now you have to go to at least two different pages as well e.g. Journey planner AND the catering page you mention, whereas the classic "knife and-fork" in train timetables or trolley icon was all that was required in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 C507


    Quick question,

    So I presume the 6.50 am from Dublin is an enterprise. What is the first class offering?

    Just a drink, snack or full meal? Do people think 1st class is worth it on the enterprise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,722 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The link that I posted above tells you exactly what catering is available on each train and provides a link to the menus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 C507


    No what I mean is what complimentary drink or/ and food is include in a first class ticket on the enterprise trains as it doesn't say this on the website?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 C507


    Could somone help me with my question please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,395 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Nothing is complimentary.

    You pay per food item



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,722 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Other than an orange juice, you pay for everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    I went first class to Cork a few weeks back. Tea/Coffee/Juice/Water was complimentary, everything else had to be paid for. As it was the 0600 train there wasn't anything savoury at all on offer even if I had wanted to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,687 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Years ago, my boss was quibbling over my expenses. I said "It's a regular ticket, it's not like it's first class or anything". He laughed and said "We don't have first class in Ireland." I looked at him and said: "You are not a regular train user are you?".

    Granted, first class in Ireland is how regular class is in most modern countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Does first class exist on any Irish Rail services apart from the Enterprise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Dublin - Cork on the loco hauled sets with proper 2+1 First class that run most of the services.

    The daily direct Tralee-Dublin and some Dublin - Cork with the pointless 2+2 in the DMUs the same as the additional IE sets on Belfast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I understood the words "Dublin" ,"Cork" and "Belfast". But thanks 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,395 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Not on the Enterprise service I got 2 weekends ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I got it about a month ago. I was on a pre midday train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    There is proper first class seating on the pointy Cork-Dublin trains and on the actual Enterprise trains. These have wider seats and much better fit out. Some of the Cork ones are also recently refurbished coaches with very plush interiors. Unfortunately, the service usually gives you nothing extra on the Cork train —it’s just a seat. Cork-Dublin has always had CityGold coaches and in the past they used to have proper catering etc. They are a more comfortable experience though and are good for working from if you need space - much bigger tables etc.

    All other routes are operated by newer Hyundai trains that have the exact same seats as standard class with different seat covers and a lamp. It’s a complete joke and not worth paying for — you’re literally paying extra for a different cover on the seat!!

    Some Cork and Belfast services are operated by these too. They’re modern and a decent standard class. They’re ok but they’re not really 1st class intercity by any stretch of the imagination.

    Irish Rail really isn’t capable of doing consistent business class services and never has been. Most of what they operate services are more comparable to regional services on the continent than Intecity type stuff —modern, cheerful but fairly basic. It’s comparable to French regional “RER” or similar local/regional trains in Europe, but definitely not premium long distance or high speed stuff, but the distances are very comparable to local and regional routes too.

    The MK4 trains running most of the Cork services and the Enterprise are proper intercity coaches, but you can never really be certain they’re going to be operating your train as the more basic spec Hyundai units fill in chunks of the schedules. I mean you can figure it out if you check the seat maps when booking, but it’s not immediately obvious to most ppl.



  • Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The full Irish breakfast on the Enterprise - is it good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    I went to Belfast on Enterprise first class, hot face towel, free juice, coffee was not free, full breakfast available to buy. Lovely and quiet. On way back was hungry and deliberately was going to eat on train- no catering........



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    That is part of the problem, you can never rely on it and therefore you should always carry your own food onboard, but then why bother with it!

    Irish Rail really isn’t capable of doing consistent business class services and never has been. Most of what they operate services are more comparable to regional services on the continent than Intecity type stuff —modern, cheerful but fairly basic. It’s comparable to French regional “RER” or similar local/regional trains in Europe, but definitely not premium long distance or high speed stuff, but the distances are very comparable to local and regional routes too.

    Yes, it simply reflects our geography. We just don't have any truly long distance intercity line. The distances between Dublin and the other cities is just relatively too short for true continental type high speed rail and intercity service.

    It is more like rail in the Netherlands, their cities are similarly close, their rail tends not to be fancy at all and instead tends to focus on reliability, frequency and affordability. Their is usually a train every 30 minutes or so to every city, just rock up 10 minutes before departure, pay €20 with their equivalent of the Leap card, no need to prebook and just jump on. Almost more like a bus service.

    I don't think it is a bad thing, it just is what it is. And kind of prefer if Irish Rail focused more on a Dutch rail type service.

    Get the journey times on all the major "intercity" routes down to 2 hours or less. Minimum one hour frequency on all routes and keep it affordable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Have some caviar and a nice cianti for breakfast.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I get what you are saying re lets focus on getting the obvious things like punctuality and frequency right but using NL as a compare is not a good one as they have 18million people in a country which is less than 70% the size of ROI / 50% the size of our island. Their major cities are all close by (a lot closer than Cork & Dublin) and the further away cities dont have 20min services. Very easy and there is no choice but to get rail right in a country like NL.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    You get a complimentary juice or water, everything else you pay for. Food is good. Ticket is only worth it when the other carriages are overflowing as first class is rarely close to full. Comfy seats as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    It’s far more like rail in western France and Scotland etc. It’s extremely unlike the Netherlands in terms of population density and network density.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I think the catering should be there for first on all the sets, I cannot see why it would not be viable, you could charge whatever you wanted



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