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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The rest of the developed world have a more empathetic system than the Americans. Lord knows our health service has problems but nobody has to choose between death or bankruptcy here if they get ill. Even having insurance may not be enough as they might find some arbitrary reason to not cover you.

    It’s a horrific, barbaric system built to provide no service to some paying customers. I would say many Americans would jump at the chance to have something like us, warts and all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Many East Asian healthcare systems are way better than UK or Ireland, which are pretty shite at this moment in time. Getting an appointment in Ireland could takes a year but takes me a day or two with a consultant of my choice in many Asian countries. Timely treatment is extremely important for good health outcomes. It's a neccessity.

    Somebody said the Irish healthcare system is good...it doesn't even have a national digital records system let alone a universal insurance system Getting a GP appointment these days in Ireland...good luck...meanwhile in most East Asian countries I could just walk around to the local clinic and see them same day.. it's really funny somebody uses Ireland as the reference for ',the standard of care' shows they haven't travelled much.

    The American healthcare system is the best in the world, for the rich !



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. Many European countries have insurance systems as well.

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    Jokes aside, it's something I'm very thankful for. Prescriptions aside, the NHS is completely free at the point of use.

    I sincerely doubt it takes a year in Ireland. Come on. Most I've ever had to wait in England is three weeks.

    That said, Asia is not a good comparison. A lot of Asian countries have younger populations and lack the same kind of consumerist culture that prevails in the US, the Anglosphere and Europe.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    <Deleted. Misread the post>..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the post suggested a year to see a consultant, rather than a GP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Lol. Lack consumerist culture ??

    East Asia also has older populations on average than Ireland or the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    It seems a lack of opticians in Ireland is causing issues also.😉



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yes. I misread it. I still don't buy it though.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You don't buy what.?

    Just search on here or Google to find many examples of people complaining about appointments a year or more later.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've no interest in researching your argument for you.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You are the one that claims it's not true

    18 months

    Latest stats say average wait is 7 months.to see a consultant in Ireland That is down from 9 months previously.

    Sure you could be dead by then.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2024/01/09/average-wait-time-for-public-patients-to-see-a-consultant-fell-by-two-months-last-year/

    Mod: Do not use another poster's post from another forum to prove your point, especially one with medical information.

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I know you're being glib but quite frankly yes the USA could learn a lot from us (and other countries) in lots of areas because the way that they do things is so bonkers:

    • Allowing high capacity machine guns to be freely available to the general population
    • Electing Judges and police chiefs
    • Giving police forces surplus army equipment
    • Allowing politicians to draw their own electoral maps
    • Allowing unlimited money into politics via super PACs
    • Allowing pharmaceutical companies to advertise their products on television
    • Running Hospitals and healthcare in general as for profit operations

    and that's just off the top of my head…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    In this instance we and most countries where needing an ambulance won't bankrupt a person are better systems.

    We and nearly every other nation with an unfragmented healthcare system also benefits from collective bargaining for drugs and equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    FFS we're talking about condoning murder. Not even the death penalty but execution by self-appointed warriors of justice. Or something.

    That particular slope is very steep and very very slippery, once you venture out onto it at all.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well hopefully Americans read boards and change their ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Who condoned murder? Do you have a link to any posts where a poster said in so many words "I condone this murder"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭FishOnABike




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    LOL

    If I say "I'm delighted the bastard's dead and I've started a petition to have a bank holiday in honour of the hero who rid us of this scum", you couldn't actually link to where I'd said I condone this murder "in so many words".

    Therefore by your "logic" I would not have condoned the murder. You're a scream. 🤣

    But even by that ridiculously tight measure, posts 251 and 252, which agreed with 251, are pretty damn close.

    251

    Have zero issues celebrating this man's death, in the same way I would celebrate the death of dictator. He was an agent of oppression, and the world would be better if more of his ilk met a similar fate.

    252

    Agreed and it's gaining traction, Elon Mush is using one of his many many children as a human shield!

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I don't see anyone condoning murder there, I have no problem with him being dead but i don't condone how it happened, you are conflating 2 separate things ie his murder and him being dead and turning them into 1 thing to get to the result you want that suits your argument. There is nobody saying he should have been murdered due to what he did, all people are saying is him being dead due to what he did isn't a terrible thing.

    The clutching at straws by people in incredibly privileged positions of not being affected by his actions is just tiresome and performative outrage at this stage, ill be ignoring those posters taking such positions due to their posts being contemptible unempathetic nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    There was a time when the US had the best healthcare in the world, even if not everyone had access to it. As poorer countries caught up in the 20th century they had to make it a national effort just to afford improvement with the result that most EU countries ended that century with a centralised base line healthcare, and now Asian countries take that national model and streamline it further.

    I've no doubt that advancements in Asia will filter to us here, but the pandemic showed us that a country like the US wastes an awful lot of collective effort and synergy when different healthcare groups interpret how to respond in their own manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Well you should. Based on the information provided here you were wrong not to "buy it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Im guessing HSE execs and lawyers are fair game for a bullet now, due to constant stories like these..

    How much does the HSE spend on legal fees to protect itself?

    About €140 million a years

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41532074.html

    Over €2 billion spent on claims over the past 5 years.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41192014.html

    Given that the leadership of the HSE are what some would describe as 'scum' and 'parasites' do they deserve a bullet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    What you are advoacting a Pol Pot inspired 'Year Zero' approach where society was meant to start again and cleanse itself of all signs of wealth and inequalities.

    Guess how many millions died as a result, and yes, there was no Utopia. Just death and genocide….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,010 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No, but fired? Without pension? Sure. That's equally unlikely to happen. Remember that Savita's failure of an OB/GYN is still practicing.

    Plenty of 'punishment' that can be dealt that isn't violent. This is business, after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ah yes we are down the slippery slope of supporting putting a hit out now on a HSE executive. Not at all a ludicrous argument.

    I know we like to transpose american problems to Ireland but we simply do not have similar problems with access to guns or bad health insurance companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It seems like he's been caught. Hanging out in a McDonalds in Pennsylvania on his laptop. Someone recognised him and called the police. Found a gun and 4 fake IDs on him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The people shilling this guy as a saint and one of our betters 

    This is now the 2nd time you used that phrase.
    Can you find us a quote from anyone who lauds this man as a saint?

    Just one will do….

    Otherwise, stop lying to cover your own moral issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,682 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and what should they live on if fired without pay/pension?



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