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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think its just alot of people virtue signaling. They look down on people mocking the victim, even if he was a bad guy.

    Perhaps the views on the killer will sour when his background is finally revealed. But the victim will still have been a ceo of a company that seems to be very cruel to sick people.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the american health insurance industry must be one of the poster boys for late stage capitalism? an unfettered use of a population as a financial resource in a context where they're at their most vulnerable. and this lad was CEO of the worst of a bad bunch.

    think of the way a lot of people don't like michael o'leary because he's wilfully made ryanair cavalier about cancelling flights on you. now imagine someone like that who has made a company cavalier about your pancreatic cancer. there'd be plenty of people with a deep seething resentment of that company, after being denied funds for lifesaving treatments, even though they'd been paying insurance to that company for years.

    it's almost a hollywood movie - evil tycoon who exploits people, a good looking, possibly charming murderer who kills him on the street, and leaves enigmatic clues, and a failure so far to apprehend him.

    maybe it's been mentioned in the thread, but i remember seeing a cartoon about how breaking bad would have panned out if set in europe. i.e. it wouldn't have panned out at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a pretty good poster child. Instead of innovating or improving, it's just deeply into the process of enshittification. It's extracting as much value from its services as possible knowing that it has killed off competition and dollars donated to politicians, notably Republicans will go much farther than any kind of R&D or investment.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Nobody is saying this guy is a saint. Sure none of us know the first thing about him, he might have been a lovely family man or a complete prick for all we know. it's utterly irrelevant.

    Condoning his murder is a very slippery slope. What about the next handsome devil who decides that the head of BP needs to answer for climate change, or some sexy woman decides that cows produce too much methane and the farmer up the road needs to get what's coming to him? Do they get a pass as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    This logic doesn't make any sense to me.

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    This guy knows his own name so how would this confer an advantage to him.

    Either they are bluffing or they are afraid that people who know him will help him out if they know that it's him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭kyote00


    the point is that even if you pay in the US it does not guarantee treatment. The opposite can apply where your insurer will do everything it can to minimise the cost of cover given AND MOST Importantly is that the reason they ‘minimise’ costs is to pay profits to themselves and shareholders



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    one of the founders of boards once told me he hurt himself while skiing in the states and someone rang an ambulance for him. IIRC they bundled him into the back of the ambulance but when the ambulance crew realised he was not american, and did not have a credit card on him; they pulled into the side of the road and rang a 'public' ambulance for him.

    the weird thing about the american healthcare system is that most people are against public healthcare because of the supposed cost - but in the long run it costs them far more, and often with worse outcomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    Americans "Believe" its "Normal" to pay $6,000 for an Ambulance Ride!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The mindset seems to be that I don't mind paying more for my own healthcare, but any suggestion that you would pay more so that someone else gets better healthcare is basically communism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,650 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    This case is perfect example of how the system reserves the right to inflict violence, and acts appalled that the meat puppets it preys upon have the temerity to hit back. Have zero issues celebrating this man's death, in the same way I would celebrate the death of dictator. He was an agent of oppression, and the world would be better if more of his ilk met a similar fate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    Agreed and it's gaining traction, Elon Mush is using one of his many many children as a human shield!

    Source, someone asked me earlier, the source is the people, live streaming, thats my source!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭TagoMago


    TBH I think being convicted in a court of law is irrelevant for certain figures in the US. If you have enough money and power you can get away with outrageously unethical behaviour and never be branded a criminal, the Sackler's being the most prominent example. Brian Thompson certainly would have been in this category of individuals, pretty much above the law.

    Under his watch UHC was the most profitable health insurance provider, with by far the highest level of coverage denial. It's pretty clear that he was more than happy to let people die/go bankrupt in order to increase profit margins. Obviously this is incredibly immoral and should be illegal, but in a neo-feudalist country like the US, it's rewarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,072 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,872 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't know if we are dealing with a pro here or a lad who just didn't have a care in the world.

    Will be very interesting to see if they do catch him, was he a lone wolf or was it a concerted effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The other thing people are forgetting is that US health insurance is ferociously expensive. The average policy for a family of four is $25k per year. The frustration people feel when they are paying that much, but the insurers pull every stunt to avoid paying out is completely understandable.

    People paying enormous premiums to effectively find out they are uninsured when they need coverge. It's crazy stuff



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,072 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I saw on reddit that apparently 68k people a year die because their insurance refuses to pay for treatment. I don't know if that figure is accurate. But if that's the case, then I can understand why they're so angry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    He did seem to have a plan that had many holes in it but also had inside information on where the victim would be staying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Blah blah blah, just more non sensiccal false equivalence, our health systme has its issues but we arent the US and our health insurance companies are nothing close to theirs. You have yet to provide any evidence that your equivalence argument has any merit and you obviously never will because its entirely being made in bad faith, for what reason i have no idea but it honestly seems like you are getting to the stage of defending the disgustingly capitalistic health care system the US has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,872 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    At absolutely no point did he panic, that either suggest someone quite proficient in killing or given the "mistakes" he did act like someone who was just delighted to be doing what he was doing.

    Could also well be this guy is no longer with us.

    Could also be the disgruntled insurance client thing was staged.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    The hit did seem very considered, I wouldn't be surprised if the gunman is already left the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,650 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The law only has consequences for those too poor to avoid them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Quite shocking how many people here agree with murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Out of interest would you be shocked if people were happy a local heroin dealer was dead? Just because this guy wasn't breaking the law doesn't mean he was any less of a piece of shite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Most posters aren't condoning it from what I see, they are understanding why there's very little sympathy for the guy more than anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just because I lost all empathy with the US after they failed to do anything about gun control after Sandy Hook doesn't mean I'm pro mass shootings.

    The simple fact is there are US citizens who view the system as denying healthcare just to protect profits. We were murderers and terrorists when we assembled the first Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Irish people of course have the solutions to America's problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I dont think we have the solution but we are not condoning this murder. Its Americans that appear to be unbothered by his death, the customers of his company.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You implied that the thread was filled with people endorsing the killing. Now you do your traditional moving of the goal posts after it's pointed out as being untrue.



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