US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

Sudden Valley

I wouldn't mock his murder but I fail to feel sympathy on his passing. His company sounds like they are truly evil. The murderer will most likely get caught very soon so they will see justice.

It has put a spotlight on the health insurance there and for once seems to have united both right and left wing voters in expressing their annoyance at the health industry and especially the company he was CEO for. Why he didn't have bodyguards with him as were offered to him seems very strange. Perhaps he was showing some arrogance as seems most CEOs over there rightly have bodyguards.

kyote00

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938251#Comment_122938251

United health are 9th largest company in the world . They have subsidiary’s in Ireland and he would have travelled to Ireland sites a few times.

most people who are involved in healthcare know United healthcare.

Many people feel they take the capitalisation of healthcare too far and well beyond what might be considered ethical and reasonably equitable. Blaming AI for this is also bullshit.

They are not alone in this - OxyContin, J&J

It is not hard to see how someone might feel pissed if health care insurers have systems in place to discriminate against certain high cost illnesses, drugs and treatment etc

Policies like community rating and age/cost equalisation don’t really exist over there

Dick phelan

It amazes me how nobody would have sympathy for someone selling illegal drugs being killed, yet this guy is doing something at least equally immortal yet we are supposed to all be sympathetic. He wasn't killed because he was rich, he was killed because he got rich, it's how he got rich that has people glad he's dead. The man was a parasite actually far more evil than most drug dealers.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938241#Comment_122938241

Except I don't think he was an innocent man.

Many people died or suffered needlessly directly because of decisions that this man made.

thamus doku

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938424#Comment_122938424

same could be said here

Would you defend the murder of the CEO of the firm building the children’s hospital, the CEOs of the Irish private health providers, the minister of health ?

The Irish health system is also very unfair.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938428#Comment_122938428

He wasn't remotely innocent. He's done everything he can to make healthcare a luxury, all the while destroying and ending lives for profit. There's a serious culture of bootlicking over there which is a big part of why this was allowed to happen.

kyote00

What are you talking about ?. The children’s hospital is built and paid for by the state - not private organisations. It is eye watering expensive but access to it is much more equitable than the US system.

In general Ireland spends about €24B each year to deliver the public health system, fund a huge array of charities and community services. Just check out the HSE annual report

I see no evidence in Ireland of widespread engineering of inequality in spending in order to deliver profits for private sector.

No system is perfect, but HSE/nhs are designed to be equitable and not for profit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938548#Comment_122938548

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938251#Comment_122938251

It's the leftist version of MAGA types cheering on the death penalty in prisons. Both are equally crass.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938685#Comment_122938685

Millions are cheering this on. Are they all 'leftists?' Just lousy bothsidesism. MAGA cheers on the death penalties for minorities - why would that be?

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938558#Comment_122938558

There’s an odd contradiction in you condoning murder and having a Bible verse in your signature.

Isn’t there something in there about not killing people?

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938685#Comment_122938685

I dont think its just leftist's version of anything. If you go to the Ben Shapiro and Fox News youtube videos of the event you will see the top comments talking about how the CEO's company screwed over family members who were seriously ill. This not a left vs Right issue. This is a company that seemed to actively work against it's customers.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938700#Comment_122938700

Where did I condone murder? Quote please.

yagan

The assassin could have also been an insider who was motivated by exposure to the greed of the company.

There's no moral equivalence between how healthcare is delivered in the US and with most of the world. In most places healthcare is a national service, in the US it's a business.

The cost of insulin for type 1 diabetes in the US compared to nearly everywhere else is a clear example of how profit and not health is the priority in the US.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938630#Comment_122938630

He didn't mention anything about the NHS which is the system in the UK not here.

The Irish system has in built inequalities. If you need a hip and can pay for it privately, you can get it straight away. If you're going public you could be waiting 2 to 3 years.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938704#Comment_122938704

You don't have to say "I condone murder" in order to condone it.

You did say:

Nothing of value has been lost. This guy was scum. I do not condone the deed but we abandoned feudalism for very good reasons.

As Jon Snow once said, everything before the word 'but' is horseh1t.

And that's grand, maybe you're more of the Old Testament, fire and brimstone, smite them all, religious type, but it's just interesting to me to see how this case has created so many conflicts and contradictions in people.

Calahonda52

Interesting numbers

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/05/business/corporate-security-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/index.html

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938805#Comment_122938805

In the US, you easily could go bankrupt from this fairly common operation, depending on the vagaries of your health insurer. If you're 65 or older, that's less likely if you're on Medicare, at least, at present. With the Pillage People running things under Combover Caligula, so far, everything's fair game. What I've heard about Medicare is that they want to make the default selection be a Medicare so-called Advantage plan, which is an HMO run by your insurer with lots and lots of potential for mischief.

Lengthy personal anecdote, my mother who had an advantage plan when she lived in Florida, travelled to NYC for a wedding and fell down some stairs. Multiple broken bones, concussions, some therapies.

Her advantage plan attempted to cover almost nothing because she was out of the area. We ended up taking them to court ("Delay!"), what was interesting is the massive amount of indifference showed by the insurer, they eventually showed up and were shown to be what liars they were. They denied because she was out of state. Her case was obviously an emergency, but, only because we were able to take the insurer ("Depose!") to court in Florida did anything happen. Her plan had a clause that it covered emergencies when travelling.

To their credit, Florida was very pro senior citizen then and the court expedited the trial and the judge had no use for the insurer. We were able to do this without an attorney so everything in the settlement went to Mom and paid that chunk of her bills. There was plenty more not covered by insurance that we had to come up with, fortunately we were able to.

What the GQP want, is when you sign up for Medicare, your default choice is set to some insurer's medicare advantage plan. As Americans are blindingly stupid about these things, the insurers will rake in a bunch of customers who can't be bothered to dig into the details. Which, I might add, are crazy complicated compared to, say, private insurance in Ireland. Plus it's state dependent and insurance frauds like Rick Scott ran things, plus Thigh food Desantis was in charge too, I imagine it's much harder for seniors there since we dealt with this in the 2010's.

McFly85

American health insurance is fundamentally broken.

What is the point of taking out insurance? Peace of mind. Paying hundreds or possibly thousands a year so that if the worst does happen then it’s one less thing to worry about.

But in the US in a lot of cases it just seems to be one more thing to worry about. Not only will you have to go through god knows how many medical procedures to try and get better, you’ll also be fighting every step of the way with the company who will try and find something, anything minor enough for them to deny service. It’s barbaric and will have ensured that thousands of people have spent their last days on earth filled with pain and stress.

The quick fix for this would be to stop allowing insurance companies to override the decisions of the doctors but knowing the hypercapatlistic hellscape that the US is, that would probably just mean Insurance companies suing doctors or hospitals directly for ordering unnecessary procedures or would start employing token medical staff themselves to influence or deny coverage.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938825#Comment_122938825

You made it up. Thanks for confirming. Continuing to engage with someone who is being dishonest is pointless.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938896#Comment_122938896

I didn't make it up, it's right there in your own words.

But maybe I've misread it and if so I apologise. So you absolutely condemn it, nothing justifies or excuses murder, and the killer should be brought to justice?

Sudden Valley

You can call someone a scumbag even if they are killed in an illegal manner. Like when the criminal The General was shot dead years ago in Dublin- you don't have to express RIP for everyone. I don't really care enough about this CEO to condemn random people on the internet being crass about his death.

We don't have to condemn the killer, the justice system will do that for us.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938924#Comment_122938924

They explicitly said they didn't condone it.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938425#Comment_122938425

Great comparison, many wouldn't bat an eyelid at a drug dealer who was responsible for the deaths of other people being murdered in cold blood, yet they are weeping at this man who is responsible for the direction and policies of his company which effectively murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. The problem is too many people don't see denying healthcare to someone as being murder when it absolutely is.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938952#Comment_122938952

“I don’t condone it, but” is very similar to “I’m not a racist, but”.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938974#Comment_122938974

Understanding the public sentiment on why the victim is getting no sympathy is not equivalent to condoning it. I still think the killer should be prosecuted etc. Imagine Capaill is similar.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938425#Comment_122938425

So, this CEO worse than the dealer in Heorin or the Kinnihans, who have themselves ordered the murders of others..

FFS, the hyperbole.

Also, as to the motive, we have no idea as to the motive, so that is all projection on your part.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938428#Comment_122938428

Can you off the top of your head name 3 decisions he made, in the last few years (he was CEO for 3 years) that caused the deaths of many?

Has he been convicted of such in a court of law?

Nope…. so you are talking shite.

It's amazing that all issues of American Healthcare can be directed at one person…

Again, its very easy to caricature a person, the 'evil CEO' smoking his fat cigar and counting his money while the poor die. FFS! He and many others deserve to be murdered….!!

Life is not a Charles Dickens novel

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938997#Comment_122938997

People died due to his decisions on what policies to follow as a company, why are his actions less vile than those of a drug kingpin? Is it because hes doing it for the benefit of his shareholders and its "legal"? Or is it because he didn't actually know who he was ordering the deaths of? Because that absolutely makes it better……

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938548#Comment_122938548

Given that the man was 'Guilty' in many people's eyes he deserved to be murdered.

Should we start murdering our Health ministers? Our TD's? HSE executives?

Why not, given they have made decisions that caused 'death' to people?

Sudden Valley

The man can be guilty of being a scumbag but still not deserving of death. we can call this guy a scumbag for what he did to make money.

The handwringing here by some because of people being crass on the internet is hilarious. The internet/social media has been this way for years.