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Friendship Ending After a Decade; Would Like Feedback

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    But luckily with your eagerness you become a threat to him, so he might spare you…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Youre your own worst enemy! Leave it. No reply, block them.

    He's not your friend. Full stop. Why are you doing this to yourself. It feels to me you want something you can't have. Think about your partner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Just a small update on this, though nothing significant - more of a curiosity, I suppose.

    The other week I had re-added him on Facebook. Nothing happened since, no communication - as I said I wouldn't communicate again. However, he didn't add me back nor did he block me - it seems he simply allowed me to "follow" him on Facebook.

    The question I'm asking myself is, why didn't he just block me straight out? After all, he had nothing to gain otherwise. He wanted to not pay me back and just forget I existed yet after I responded to him after the threat, he had every opportunity to block but didn't.

    Again, this is just something I've been wondering more than anything else. I haven't contacted him since and have no intention to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Better contact him to ask. You know, just out of curiosity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I guess what I'm getting at is that, if he felt the friendship was 1,000% done with - he would have just re-blocked on Facebook and Messenger, and not allowed me the opportunity to contact.

    But he went from a complete block on both - to just allowing the opportunity to follow / communicate on Messenger.

    That step-down is what I'm curious about. Why would someone move down a level like that? Perhaps there's nothing to it and I'm overthinking, but it is something I have been wondering about.

    And to answer your question, I won't contact him to 'find out the answer'. I just wonder whether he is starting to regret the stridency of his position to begin with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,179 ✭✭✭mountain


    banging your head against a brick wall feels great,

    When you stop.

    You need to let this go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Literally nothing has happened and you're already overthinking it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I can't believe you're still at this. You are your own worst enemy in this. Why even check what status of block he has in you? Stop looking, stop obsessing about him and stop letting him still have this hold over you. For your own sake, let it got. Move on and move on fully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Who cares? He literally threatened you with violence.

    Move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I believe he said what he said in anger, probably justifiably - because I shouldn't have contacted his ex-fiancé. He had legitimate reasons to be angry with me.

    But do I believe that there is some way back for the friendship with him? Yes, I do.

    Unlikely, yes - but I hope it's possible.

    I don't think he's the demon painted on this thread - for all his legitimate faults and errors of judgement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'd say this guy could literally be kicking lumps out of you on the ground and you'd still be wondering how to be friends.

    I mentioned earlier in the thread about your respecting his boundaries. He clearly doesn't like you anymore.

    Why don't you respect this? You're verging on sounding like an obsessed stalker now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I have respected it. I haven't contacted him at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    No but you're still lurking in the wings. I don't know how your partner outs up with this. Get your act together and your priorities straight. Stop making excuses and stop obsessing about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You're now at the stage of stalking the facebook profile of someone who wants nothing to do with you.

    Id hardly call that respecting anything.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,855 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Why do you hope it's possible to get back your friendship? He has treated you appallingly. Appallingly. You are not a nice person around him. He turns you into a nasty person who says things you later regret.

    Why do you want to open yourself up to all that again?

    You scoffed at the idea of counselling earlier but you would definitely benefit from talking to someone, to work through why you allow yourself to be a doormat in certain relationships.

    All counselling is is talking. You said you don't believe in it, but it's literally discussing things that are affecting you, pretty much like you're doing here. Except the counsellor will be able to get to the root of it with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    He has treated you appallingly. Appallingly.

    What did he do to me, that I didn't force through argument? I didn't need to get up at 5am and argue with him. I could have stayed in bed, and stayed silent.

    In other words, if I just shut up and not consider matters relevant to me, how would this matter have escalated?

    As much as he is responsible for his mistakes, so too am I.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,855 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If you have just shut yo and not said anything he would have continued to abuse you, probably bleed you dry of another few thousand. Use your for airfare and free accomodation so he can sleep around whenever he's depressed/horny.

    It's really troubling that you don't see anything wrong with his behaviour and keep hoping he'll come back to you and "forgive" you.

    You didn't behave well at 5am one morning. And it's ok to reflect on that. But you've also been a doormat. You clearly have strong feelings for this fella. Others have mentioned that this has the potential to cause problems in your relationship. I suspect it already has.

    Now you get to decide who is more important in your life. Your partner or this fella? If you continue to chase this fella, or obsess over him (and make no mistake, you are obsessing over him!) then your partner won't stick around. At least he shouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Can you tell us why you started this thread? From what I can see, you haven't taken one scrap of the advice given to you. Do you just keep persisting with what you're doing until people get so fed up of you, they cut you out? I bet that's exactly what happened with that friendship of yours that lasted for a decade. This could be happening now with this man. I hope for everybody's sake that he is so irritated and tired of you, he won't bother with you again.

    It is frustrating that you won't even consider counselling. You badly need it. Are you afraid of having to sit in a chair and have somebody dig into why you are the way you are? It's much easier to take your time and post anonymously on boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I'm actually really put off by these comments that there's something wrong with me for not "going to counselling".

    I'm confident that counselling is very effective for many, many people. But I don't believe it is right for me. If anything, I'm pretty sure I could convince the so-called counsellor that they agree with me. I just don't subscribe to the whole counsellor thing, I'm really sorry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    I'm put off by the idea that you refuse to accept that you have a problem, and that you are unwilling to do anything about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    And yet here you are 2 weeks later trying to add him on Facebook and trying to find the hidden meaning behind him not blocking you.

    For the sake of your own sanity you have got to let this go. In time you'll see it wasn't a healthy friendship. For now, occupy yourself with other things and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    well not one person in this thread agrees with you at this stage, so what does that say, that we are all wrong? Your behaviour is not normal, I’m sorry but you need to cop on because this obsessive behaviour isn’t normal, and then your justifying of everything.. it will just consume and continue to manifest more than it is at the moment (checking if you’re still blocked and knowing those details again is that this is an obsession and manifesting)… I think at this stage a lot of people reading this thread want to bang their head against a wall and thinking is this for real or a big wind up… we all know you will message him again, no matter how many times we say not to…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    It seems to me that he has so little interest in you that he couldn't be bothered blocking you. You're basically not worth his time.

    It seems the only one invested in this relationship is you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    <snip: Unnecessary>

    You will contact them to say "hi, how's it going? "

    You know this. Why are you doing this to yourself? Honestly!?

    You need to look after you. If you can't, talk to a professional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭acequion


    Wow! This has to be a wind up and this OP cannot be for real.😯 Coming on here looking for advice and then attacking and arguing with everybody who took the time to try to help.

    Some people really are their own worst enemy and this person is clearly not interested in anything but his/her own obsessive views.

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    Warned: Breach of charter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You're just showing your ignorance of counselling now.

    Have you heard of The Dunning Kruger effect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭robinwing


    This is a total wind up , surprised anybody was daft enough to bite the hook

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    Warned: Breach of charter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I hadn't before you mentioned it.

    I was going to say the selfish approach and think about previous relationships.

    I'm honestly not having a go at you op.

    You seem to be in a spiral. We have all been there, to certain a extent.

    Look after yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I can assure you that it isn't.

    I have multiple times accepted much of the advice and constructive criticism on this thread. Am I obliged to agree with absolutely everything? No, because I know the situation first-hand over many years in a way that writing on a forum cannot always accurately translate. I was recommended not to contact him, many times over, and I have since heeded that advice. Perhaps not at the very beginning, but to date I heeded it.

    Furthermore, there's a gigantic world of difference between what is rationally the right thing to do versus what you emotionally feel is the right thing to do. Often we do things counter to what we know is probably the logical and "right" thing to do because an emotional reaction / perspective, takes over.

    To give a parallel example; it's all very "logical" to advise an obese person to stop harming themselves by eating / continuing poor habits - which they would completely agree with - but far harder for most of those people to translate that logic into reality, immediately. Not everything is as black and white as you suggest because, if it were, there wouldn't be any personal issues to begin with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,066 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Let me get this straight: you said nasty stuff at 5am in the middle of an argument, and you absolutely needed to apologise for that, but he does this over an email to someonbody else and you excuse him and say it's justifiable and legitimate?

    Can you hear yourself?

    If this is genuine (and I'm actually wondering about that) you NEED to put him out of your mind, turn the page and get on with your life. Because (again, if he's real) he's gaslighting you, and worse, you're gaslighting yourself about him.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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