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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Turkiye are definitely the big winner out of all this. The guys they backed have won and without the distraction of Assad they are free to concentrate on attacking the Kurds, which is exactly what they are doing right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    He can get the Millions of Syrian refugees out of the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    who was committing “genocide” in Syria? Which religious or ethnic group was there an attempt to wipe out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,090 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Syria also gave Russia a stage to test it's "shell everything into oblivion" tactics.

    How do you know "Hezbollah has lost their supply route from Iran". The incoming group might have no will or ability to stop this.

    People are getting far too excited with all this axis of evil stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The FSA (lads in control now) and few others were fighting Hezbollah for past 10 years since they sided with the regime. There is definitely bad blood between them, especially when they helped with Russia's scorched earth tactics during the initial uprising all those years ago.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The question really is will they have the means to stop it. Will the country be united under Al-Nusra or will it remains fractured groups and lots of infighting like Libya?

    If Turkey make a move on the YPG and SDF in the north then they may not be able to continue to monitor the desert either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Think that will be weighing on the Turkish leadership. Go after the Kurds and risk another round of fighting. Alternatively to try to stabilise their neighbour enough to return refugees. Not necessarily mutually exclusive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    It just shows just how bad Ruskii Mir is that people cheer for Islamists and cheer the removal of Russian imperialists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Russia helped Assad kill 350,000 by destroying whole cities and deliberately using chemical weapons

    The Kurds were and continue to be deliberately targeted for eradication

    Are you one of those Left wing hypocrites that only cares about Palestinians being genocided?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Russians are going to have to make a deal to get their people out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Meanwhile Israel has begun to take more territory in Syria to create "a buffer zone".

    Defense Minister Katz: “PM Netanyahu and I instructed Israeli military to seize the buffer zone and control points in order to ensure the protection of all Israeli communities in the golan heights”

    Ah yes, buffer zones, where have we heard that before? A leaf from Mr Putin's book perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Fair point. What you want and can achieve, can be two different things.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    The Turkish backed Islamist rebels are already attacking Kurdish fighters, same Kurds who are responsible for keeping thousands of Isis fighters imprisoned. If Isis is unleashed again this could get ugly very quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Lets see what the Russians left behind.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It'd be mighty surprising if something like this doesn't happen in the coming days/weeks/months. Julani was head of Al-Nusra Front who have reportedly called for all Kurds to be expunged from Syrian territory. Whether Julani has really moderated his views on all things, including the status of the Kurdish people in northern Syria, I would have severe doubts. I think the civil war continues interminably as a three-way dance between Julani's fighters, the Kurds and ISIL/ISIS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    That's the worst case scenario but not an unlikely one. The poor Syrian population have suffered enough but I doubt the rival groups will be prioritising peace and dialogue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    Israel would want to be careful with expanding of buffer zones, wouldn't want to give disparate groups a rallying cry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Ukraine hasn't ever attacked Russia though? Israel has been attacked several times by Islamists of various sorts, and indeed by Syria in the past.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I wonder if Trump brings home those 1000 troops who are " protecting " Syria's oil fields and it's main agricultural region.

    Syria's economy basically has collapsed due to this and massive sanctions placed on it over the years. They were unable to pay wages for the army and they refused to fight.

    Difficult to see any good come from all of this apart from a few countries snatching parts of it and the rest of the country run by a gang of radical warlords for the next few years. Hopefully not !

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    One regime of thugs and murderers replaces another.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    As brutal as the Russian and Assad tactics were, I still see no evidence of “genocide”. Without American assistance, the Kurds perhaps could have been victims of genocide from ISIS and the the Turkish proxy forces. If people keep throwing around words like genocide like that, they eventually become meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭CPTM


    I would share those doubts, massively. My take is that Al-Jolani is a strategic genius who has not only managed to prepare his side for the right opportunity to overthrow Assad, but knew to do it under a different name with a "moderate" brand to keep the west away during the early days. "Oh, he left Al qaeda because he wants a more inclusive society and wants to protect minorities? Oh that's great then. Got it. We'll just take this ex Al-Qaeda jihadist's word for it". He probably can't believe it worked.

    Well, hopefully I'm wrong. I would gladly have egg on my face in this instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Darth is on the money again lol

    Screenshot_2024-12-08-14-50-15-742_com.brave.browser-edit.jpg

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    Israel has annexed territory by force, but that's for another thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Sadly I think that's by far the most likely description of the situation. For one thing, it's not just Jolani, it's all his fighters as well. The notion that a whole group follows their leader on his journey from radical islamist to open-minded freedom of expression for religious and ethnic minorities without a whisper of dissent stretches credulity.

    I think it's far more probable that they're waiting to get safely into power, maybe even get western funds to start rebuilding the country, and only when they're feeling safe will their true agenda become clear.

    I haven't seen anything about the lives of women in Idlib under HTS? That, IMO, would give us some idea of who they really are. But it seems western media aren't interested - or perhaps it's because that would spoil the nice shiny look of the new heroes of Syria?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,090 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    All the "Western" media I read or listen to is full of talk about what Syria will be like now. Plenty of scepticism and uncertainty about how moderate the future will be.

    It does seem that so far they are keeping to their word but nobody is ready to fully believe this will last yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Yes but that's nealy all speculation. What I'm saying is that HTS have been running Idlib and its region for some years now. More reliable clues would be available from finding out what sort of regime they have put in place there.

    I posted a link about them torturing opponents and even killing a DJ, so it doesn't look great, but it's surprising how little such solid testimony there is in current reporting about HTS and Jolani. Were those isolated incidents or how they actually think a country should be run?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭jackboy


    One commentator suggested that it usually takes a bit of time for the thrill of victory to turn into the rage of revenge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,012 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    What a great day. My only disappointment is Assad not getting hangman's noose.

    Hopefully Syrian people finally get back to a normal life

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