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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    His track record isn’t great. There were protest against him and HTS in the rebel enclave Idlib in May 2024. Particularly against their torturing of prisoners.

    https://amp.dw.com/en/syrian-protesters-rise-up-against-islamists-in-idlib/a-69166416

    They also killed a radio DJ in Idlib who refused to stop playing music

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46320355.amp

    But who knows what will happen at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Remember back to the Afghan war with Russia when the Americans stuck their oar in to help the precursor to Al Qaeda. A lot of the problems these countries are going through can be traced back to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    The coast does not appear to be under rebel control, although with Assad out of power it's hard to know what way the coastal factions will go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,090 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't see how they "strike a deal" with groups they flattened the entire country to try stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    Wow. I'm just cautious about feeling positive about this revolution. Like others have hinted at we don't know what the new movement really is about yet.

    Turkey continues to shell Kurdish positions in Syria while the revolution happens everywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yes more than likely just like every Muslim / Arab world revolution it will turn to ****

    Tho that doesn’t take away from fact that Assad and Russians committed genocide in Syria

    Tho if one subscribes to the Jewish Global conspiracy theories then all is going to plan 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The chessboard is rather hard to read at the moment but if I had to hazard a guess, the winners here are:

    1. Turkey: they have been the main backers of the dominant rebel faction
    2. Israel: a strategic enemy has been defeated without a fight and another one (Iran) has been hugely weakened
    3. Lebanon: there is hope now that with the malign influence of Syria casting a cloud over their country - and Hezbollah smashed to pieces by the IDF - they could reassert control over their own affairs
    4. The Syrian people: TBC and it all depends what kind of new Syria rises from the ashes. Maybe the millions of refugees can return. Maybe a fair society can emerge. Maybe. In any case the dictatorship that murdered over 500,000 of its own citizens is gone.

    The big losers? Russia and Iran



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    If they were killing DJs this year, I think we can be pretty sure the new "moderate" version of HTS is just a facade, to try to get western money to rebuild perhaps. But their true face is still that of ISIS/Taliban type fundamentalists.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    From what I hear from a Syrian acquaintance, originally from Latakia but currently in exile, Latakia is in chaos: the army has fled and abandoned their arms which have been seized by teenagers who are running riot. Closer perhaps to the situation with gangs in Haiti immediately after Jovenal Moise was killed than to an actual takeover by HTS. For the moment at any rate.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    People go about Assad's genocides while overlooking that another tyrant Saddam was genociding in Iraq with gas while his regime was a protected western asset against Iran, an Iran that had previously been also had a western puppet regime under the Shah.

    We don't know what's coming but powers external to the region backing tyrants within seemed to only perpetuate chaos.

    We might not agree with what replaces Assad, but if it provides stability that allows refugees to return home, especially those camped in Lebanon then that would be a major plus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Considering you are pro Israeli i find your crowing is misplaced and a very odd stance to take, you're on the one hand against jihadists in Gaza but seemingly cheering them on in Syria for political point scoring. Do you really need to be reminded that The leader of HTS has praised the October 7th attacks and mourned the death of Haniyeh. Your Israeli friends don't want the likes of him as the main powerbroker in Syria that's for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,446 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Russia has not yet abandoned it's naval base at Tartus. Losing it would be a genuine strategic defeat. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal is already cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The last decade has been relative peace for most of the country, with ISIS being confined mostly to the desert, the Kurds owning the north east & oil fields (with US backing) and Turkish rebels to the north west.

    Most of the population has been away from any conflict for years now. That is no longer the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Damascus is similar - rebels are handing out small arms to everyone including children



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    Gotta love the on the ground reporting from boardsies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Amateurs

    they should be barrel bombing kids and deploying mines disguised as toys like Russians been doing in Syria for a decade

    /s

    we are getting a real-time preview of their narratives when Putin’s regime implodes and Islamists from Chechnya race the Chinese in Siberia to grab as much land as possible while the oligarch rats turn on each other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1865715830597591077

    Evidence suggests that the Islamists are about to enter Latakia. The Russian Hmeimim air force base will soon be set upon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    In such a situation there will inevitably be a prosperity zone caved out by the DPRK.

    If the above is correct ,as regards the Russian airbase, will be interesting to see what the Russians leave behind. An enterprising local could find something the Ukrainians would happily receive.

    Still shocked by the speed of the rebels' advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    The rebels advance could be measured as proportional to Russian collapse in Syria.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Israel now hitting military depots in Damascus. Makes a lot of sense, you want to take out as much of the Syrian military infrastructure now to prevent it from falling into the hands of either Hezbollah or Al Queda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    That's fair. Think the Iranians and Hezbollah recent problems have also had a considerable impact. The Assad regime lost a considerable amount of both their effective air support and ground forces. Even some of the neighbouring militias might have been bombed by either the US or Israelis en-route, which would certainly have an impact on the motivation.

    The factors that helped save Assad's regime in 2015/16 weren't there this time or at least not in the required numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    Putin's main motivation in propping up Assad seemed to be mostly about projecting Russia as a global player than anything else. I don't buy that this is necessarily an anti Iran revolution as the Astana process involves most nations in the region that have been pitted against eachother in the past by competing superpowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Lol, some truth to this.

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    But, this is an absolute disaster for Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.

    Hezbollah has lost their supply route from Iran

    This could wobble the Iranian regime if locals back home start getting ideas. Also Iranians regional influence has been greatly diminished.

    Russia has lost an invaluable port and airbase. Putin wasted unbelievable amount of resources in Syria for 10 years now with nothing to show for it. Absolute disaster for him.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I see a lot of people are tripping over themselves trying to shoehorn this into their own pre-cooked narrative of how the world works.

    This is a rapidly moving event with a lot of geopolitical complexity. I think at this stage it's wise to wait and see how the chips are going to land.

    Regardless of what comes next, I am glad to see the back of Bashar Al-Assad and his criminal family. I wish the Syrian people well. I hope the next decade will be better to them and their country than the last 14 years was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    The Russia foreign ministry has confirmed that Assad has left the country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd worry for the Syrian people. Hoping the Islamists and extremists do not take control but more moderates.

    Id wonder if we'd see another round in the civil war to who comes out in top.

    Think Turkey is holding all the cards here.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    So far this fall of a tyrant is in stark contrast to the absolute carnage and years of chaos that followed the invasion of Iraq.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    How condescending that they talk about peace and the UN and they are doing the opposite in Ukraine. I hope Syria emerges as a stronger better country after kicking Assad and all his scum out and helps to Support Ukraine to defeat Russia too.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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