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I want to separate but know he won’t leave

  • 07-12-2024 11:16AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭


    Looking for advice. Been married for over 10 years. Have two children. We are very different people. Not a match. Have different values. Have admitted we don’t love each other anymore. He has a nasty temper. I’m finding it hard to live like this. He’s very secretive with money and tight. I work full time but wouldn’t earn as much as him. We have bought a house. Haven’t moved in yet. Still living in our current house much to my frustration. Long story there.

    What are the first steps? I know if I suggested he leave he won’t. He seems to think his behaviour is acceptable. I told him in the past if he’s not happy find someone else.

    We do argue in front of the children much to my shame. They know we’re unhappy.

    Should I seek legal advice? I know if I go down this road he will make it hell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭homingbird


    You need some advice to know how you stand otherwise you will carry on as you are if you cant see a way out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Muinteoir2018


    Get legal advice. Start paving a new path forward for yourself. Someone with a temper like that is unlikely to change. I'm on the same path. Start planning for a fresh start. It's not easy but it will be worth it. Get all the advice and support you can. You don't need anger like that in your life and neither do your kids. Life is better without it. Believe me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    All good advice above. Get legal counsel and act on it to improve your life and that of your children.

    Good luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,951 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …also consider some therapy based counselling for yourself, and maybe your kids to, best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Everyone jumping in with legal advice.

    That will likely (as he won't budge) involve trying to convince you to get protection/barring order, based on his temper.

    They care about a defined legal process, irrelevant of what it might do to you, him, or children in long term.

    Remember, effective marriage counselling may be a route with respect to it resulting in both parties accepting that ye are best moving separate ways, and getting that out in the open in a controlled environment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭unichick


    I should add I’ve had counselling. He refuses to undertake any sort of- couples, individual or anger management.

    He lost a relative as a child & my counsellor said he never dealt with it properly so anger stems from this. But it’s accepted in his family that some of the male members just have a terrible temper.

    I should have said there’s zero communication either. He will go out with the children & not think to tell me where they are or head out solo & not even mention it. He’s not a drinker or a womaniser. He has no interest in sex. Almost from day one of our marriage. A sexual I think. He’s religious also which I’m not. My gut told me when he proposed not to marry him. I should have listened.

    My priority are the children & they have told me they want us to stay together. Financially I would be much worse off but wouldn’t have to put up with the anger & living like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Can you move into the new house and leave him in the current one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    If you're married 10 years then presumably your children are still quite young, so of course they want you to stay together. But that's not necessarily the best thing for them in the long run. Also, I'm going to assume you haven't *actually* polled them on this, that they've just picked up on the fact that you and your husband are clearly very unhappy together.

    Both parties inevitably end up worse off financially after a marriage ends, that's just a fact of life. What you need to decide is whether that's a sacrifice you're willing to make. And tbh, from what you've posted, it sounds like it should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭unichick


    It’s not ready. A lot of work is being done to it. I wasn’t consulted. To me it was a turn key property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭unichick


    Yes over 10 years married, approximately 15. Eldest is 10 & we have a 7 year old also. Separation has not been talked about seriously. Just mentioned in passing on the bad days when I might say sometimes I think I’d be better off alone.

    My parents had a very unhappy marriage too. Before my mum passed she admitted she regretted marrying my father who’s a very selfish person.

    My ex boyfriend was controlling & had a terrible temper. While husband isn’t controlling I’m wondering is it common for men to have awful tempers? Or am I just used to it by now.

    I really didn’t make good choices. Low self esteem caused me to go along with whoever showed an interest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Ye have admitted ye don't love each other.

    So all else aside, that's it?

    How could separation not be an issue to be talked about?

    Sadly, your folks were likely from an era were everything was an obstacle to separation.

    Temper? Me personally, I believe that it is not gender specific.

    Your counsellor diagnosing the root cause of his issues,in itself, again in my opinion, is a red flag against the counsellor.

    Post edited by Andrea B. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You need to stop talking about separating to/in front of the kids until it's actually happening and you're sitting them down to tell them so. It's incredibly unfair to put this on them otherwise.

    And no, it's not common for men to have awful tempers. I've never been in a relationship with one who has. I suspect your low self-esteem has made you more vulnerable to these types of men, and also more willing to put up with them.

    Look, OP, no separation is ever easy. They're fraught and heartbreaking and messy and painful and expensive. But none of those things are reasons not to do it if it's genuinely in the best interests of everyone involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭mountain


    neither of you is under an obligation to leave the family home, in most cases a solicitor would advise against it.
    if you truly feel the marriage is beyond saving, contacting a solicitor who does a lot of family law, may be your best option.

    It’s a very stressful time and I wish you the very best



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Just out of curiosity what makes you think that he should be the one who leaves? If he earned more that would imply that he paid more towards the new house??

    And I can assure you if you go that route his solicitor will advise him to stay in the property as mine did( difference is I paid fully for my house and my ex kicked me out after 4 days so I knew she had no claim whatsoever) but no solicitor in the country will tell him to leave an asset in the hundreds of thousands that he potentially will not be able to sell until the youngest child turns 18



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭unichick


    We currently live in a house with both our names on the mortgage. We will be selling this to fund our new house if we ever move in. The other house we don’t have a mortgage on yet. It’s being funded by another source. We don’t intend on selling it ever. It was our dream house & will go to our children. He pays the mortgage on the current house we live in & I pay the bills, clothes & toys for the kids.

    It’s complicated! If he pays all the mortgage currently am I legally less entitled to half the house even though I contribute just as much to the household?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    If he pays all the mortgage currently am I legally less entitled to half the house even though I contribute just as much to the household?

    Don't look for legal advice on the internet. Decide if you're serious about separation. If you are, talk to a legal professional and find out where you stand

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    I can't say for definite but when we separated my solicitor was very happy to know I continued to pay the mortgage myself until my ex moved out and I got to move back in.

    Deffo consult a solicitor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    You say your husband has a terrible temper. Would you ever feel in fear? It would bit be at all unreasonable for you to feel you are in fear considering circumstances.

    Consider protection/barring order. They are very very easy to get. Where a person is in fear, it was almost a given that they'd be granted an order.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Start with Women's Aid. They provide a lot of good, practical, advice for people in your situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    It depends on the actions of the temper. Being shouty is not going to be enough for a barring order. But if the temper has lead to unacceptable behaviour then that may be enough for a barring order. It’s hard to say from what’s been said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    The language of, and insinuation I got from the post is that it's like nipping out for a carton of milk, and that it might be a solution to get him out of the house regardless of whether it's warranted or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    Its the family home and you're married so all assets are divided equally regardless of who paid for what. Even if you didnt pay a penny to the mortgage you are equal owners.

    Honestly just get legal advice and get the ball rolling on separation/divorce. No point in dragging it all out and best to get it sorted before you end up in a new home which might overcomplicate things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    This marriage sounds downright abusive, far beyond not being in love.

    Spending family income on a house without including your spouse in decision-making is financial abuse. Being "tight" I read as financially controlling, also financial abuse. Taking the children away spontaneously without a discussion or contact, leaving their mother worried is emotionally abusive. It's not easy to understand what "a temper" is, but there could also be physical abuse either to the children or spouse.

    I agree with the others, go to Women's Aid, and be very very careful. Men with uncontrolled anger have been known to murder their whole family when marriage break-up becomes real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭Sono




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Papagei


    You have one side of the story. Having an awful temper is not abuse. A lot of people have awful tempers. There is nothing illegal about having an awful temper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Why , like it never happens? Clodagh Haugh, Sharon Whelan, etc etc. More than 50% of murders in Ireland are "domestic".. meaning men killing their partners and children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    That, right there is the only advice you need. Tune out the rest of the hysterical nonsense.



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