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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,142 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's nothing to a multimillionaire, it's not "nothing" to lots of people who aren't millionaires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    The kind of people who can't get medical cover.

    It took a million dollar reward to catch the unibomber.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If it actually *is* a mob hit - add the witness protection programme to that 10k. And a few zeroes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Or to put it in another context, that guy was on a package worth $10m a year. Based on a 220 day year at eight hours a day, that reward is worth less than paying him for two hours work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Very unlikely it was a professional hit. Way too public, broad daylight, clumsy (multiple shots, jammed gun, slow getaway.) More analysis here: https://archive.ph/BJAZ2



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,676 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what a fcuked up country, and some of the responses are just disgusting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well how can we know? Why would you assume either way?

    I've lived in the country for over a decade, still here, almost every person I know would be happy to pay more tax for socialized healthcare.

    It is not the choice of the people.

    Its also why one might see violence, the very purpose of democracy is change without violence, to allow people to feel like they have at least minimal power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Free healthcare would be a dream for US citizens, but a nightmare for many employers and profiteers like health insurers. When Medicare and Medicaid came about in the mid 1960's, there was a push to make them available to all, which was thwarted by the AMA over concerns about lost income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yes.

    In general democracy in America is a bit of a show.

    You have no federal referendums

    Citizens United allowing unlimited corporate political donations

    No safeguards on social media and political advertising

    News like TV shows pushing propaganda in the guise of news

    No ranked choice voting which reenforces a two party system.

    So imagine you are a voter who wants universal healthcare but you dislike all other Democrat policies for example, what exactly do you do?

    Same for gun control, abortion, immigration, environmental conservation etc. you will find Dems and cons on both sides of all of these topics but the system doesn't allow an expression on these individual huge topics. America isn't really that democratic. Not really "for the people"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭TokTik


    That’s America. 50yo college educated family man gunned down in cold blood and it’s a cause of jokes.

    Junkie thug dies getting apprehended by a good citizen (Daniel Penny) and BLM are calling for riots again, much like the ones that happened when junkie thug George Floyd died.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    While not approving of a murder, seeing the online comments and the amount of people denied health care, loopholes and clauses in insurance packages, you can really see why some people are venting the way they are.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,676 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Where does it end?? Would you like to see Simon Harris/Stephen Donnolly murdered? Both were health ministers in Ireland when lots of people died due to lack of services etc. Harris was involved in the cervical cancer scandal. Mental health CEOs murdered due to the massive amount of yearly suicides? McDonald's/other fast food franchise owners because of the obesity epidemic??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Dude was separated from wife who seems to have checked out of the relationship. Family man me hole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah it's basically why you have unlimited growth. You also brain drain the rest of the world because of the riches on offer but socially it's a disaster. Not all people are college educated engineers between 20-50!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,524 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That' the warped view some people have.

    People with wealth, status, ambition, power or responsibility are fair game.

    Anything bad happens to them, it's a case of "fook em."

    All this absolute nonsense talk of insurance claims, and unfair play, and greed etc etc to try and justify and excuse a truly despicable act, and to even glow in it……depraved mentality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭scottser


    Quite the strawman you've built there, right at the top of the floodgates at the bottom of the slippery slope.

    Thompson's murder isn't surprising in the context of US gun use, lack of democracy, rampant, unchecked capitalism and a massively polarised and violent political culture. It's utterly futile to compare Ireland to the US.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I saw a comment on Reddit describing the healthcare system there as the "Polite genocide of the working class". I don't agree but I don't think it's entirely wide of the mark either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Pretty sure his victims had families as well. Funny how rightwing types couldn't care less about them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The reaction is because of how he was making the decisions that actively financially punish those who are sick. Just because he's college educated doesn't mean he's not entirely capable of doing terrible things. I'm pretty sure you'd have gotten a similar reaction if the guy who charged extortionate amounts for AIDS medications had died. I'd say it's as much a symptom of late stage capitalism at this stage.

    None of that is a justification for killing him but plenty of people have suffered as a result of the decisions that him and others have made. So it's pretty inevitable that a macabre sense of humor kicks in for many.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    Having to go to a hospital in Europe won't bankrupt you, so it's hard to understand a system where needing life saving care will bankrupt you.

    There's simply no comparison. It's not like the victim was a medic targeted by a conspiracy nutjob. From the pieces we understand like the bullet casings it seems an action very much motivated by the financial iniquities of US healthcare.

    Plus as the US ages more claims will be denied purely to maintain profit, as healthcare in the US is not a public service, it's a private business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    yep, the reaction has been absolutely shocking.

    Especially coming as it did, three weeks after the US electorate gave a resounding endorsement of the politics and policies which created the current system.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    According to the results I saw when I googled it, the views of everyone you know does not match the mood of the public at large in the states.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    A 57% majority of U.S. adults believe that the federal government should ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage. Yet nearly as many, 53%, prefer that the U.S. healthcare system be based on private insurance rather than run by the government. 

    Dunno, the 1st stat. seems like a sound rejection of the bad system they have now, even by Republicans.

    The second stat. is possibly the intrinsic hostility of Americans to "(big) government"/"authorities", and suspicions of them gathering too much power to themselves and messing in their business (e.g. "my" heathcare), which seems to colour every issue over there.

    I think there are countries in Europe with universal (private) insurance systems, but the government obviously retains a lot of control over practical workings of it via regulation (not written by captured regulators, for sole benefit of the private sector!) and funds treatments of people who are too poor to pay large premiums to stop the horrible sort of situation you have in US developing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's what people want over there. They may say they want universal health care, but they never vote in majority of politicians that actually want to deliver it.*

    Rather like their schizophrenic attitude to gun control.

    And the idea that people in America are oppressed and can't do anything about their politicians if they actually had the will to, frankly is laughable.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    I totally agree.

    I have relatives in the US whose monthly health insurance policy cost as much as we pay yearly, and yet they bitched about Obamacare even though there's a very strong likelihood that they will end up needing it if they lose their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    The most plausible explanation I can find is that they want great healthcare for themselves, but are determined not to let any other Tom, Dick or Harry have it because they others don't actually deserve it, whereas they do.

    The people I saw (on TV) queuing up for charitable healthcare mostly seemed to take the view that while they were currently in a difficult situation, they would no doubt get out of it at some point because they were hardworking and deserving, and you couldn't be having free healthcare for all because all the rest of the country were chancers who would never work if they weren't forced to.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    It reminds of the story from the great depression about soviet agents reporting back to Stalin about why there's no revolution in the USA, "the poorest believe they can all still become millionaires and are just temporarily embarrassed!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    On the same day that this guy was executed another health insurance company, Blue Cross announced that in three states they would no longer be providing for the cost of anesthesia for surgeries that went beyond certain durations. I saw a lot of people split screening that news with the news of the execution of this CEO.

    Anyway, a few days later Blue Cross announced they were reversing this policy.

    It is possible that the reversal had nothing to do with this murder. It is also possible that the members of the board had second thoughts about pushing the limits of profiteering at all costs after seeing this news.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    So the guy can be tracked for ten days and they have pinpointed the one and only time he pulled down his mask; they know which bus he boarded; they found his phone and backpack; now they know he has boarded another bus. And yet he has not been identified?!?



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