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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    I'm all in favour of some buses routing Dorset Street or Parnell Street onwards to Church Street and maybe crossing the river there.

    But if you're going from the College Green area to the Capel Street area and walking is a challenge then the Luas from Dawson/Westmoreland to Dominick, and back to Trinty/Dawson is the best option.

    Redesigning the city around a hypothetical trip from the front of Trinity to the river end of Capel Street shouldn't be considered to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The A Spine will drop people to Cuffe Street - that’s hardly that far away, nor is St Stephen’s Green LUAS.

    Anyone coming into town from the Rock Road or N11 corridors have had to walk a distance for years to the George’s St. area, and I haven’t seen mass complaints about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Cuffe Street and SSG Luas are both 700m from the top of George's Street. If you're coming from Sandyford then 'relatively' that's not far, but if coming from Rathmines you'll spend as long walking as you spend on the bus.

    Currently the 13, 14, 15, 16 and 27 all directly serve Dame/George's, arguably the busiest streets in the city. A lot of people live along those routes and that direct access is being removed. By any measure that's a very significant downgrade of service.

    I wouldn't consider the middle of Capel Street or the top of George's Street to be hypothetical trips, to be honest. I still think you're missing my point. It's pointless to walk to Jervis or Dominic to go one stop on the Luas, only to walk further to a bus connection. That's a pointless connection that saves very little walking and definitely doesn't save any time. As such, I'm saying both of these areas are 700-800metres from the main connection point at OCS Bridge.

    In any case, thanks for responses. I asked for a view, and the answer is clear! Hopefully the radial routes (22, 23 etc.) are frequent and maybe a route down Dorset Street can be considered further down the road. That and a Luas spur from James to College Green would massively improve connectivity to the busiest street in the city!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    We have a tram system consisting of two separate lines. What should be considered is a network so that many starting and ending points become possible.

    Afterall that is how buses work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I’d like to see the existing Luas services branch into different routes as they enter the city centre, and recombine on the way out. This would also increase throughput at the outer sections (the big bottlenecks are in the city centre), but the main benefit would be to allow wider access to the services within the core of the city.

    To avoid user confusion, number the Luas lines. People already understand how this works with buses, it won’t be an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    With the election coming up its probably timely to remember this little attempt to torpedo the Dublin traffic plan from earlier this year. With opinions indicating that the Greens may not be part of the next coalition, i think they did help to keep reins on the likes of this kind of attitude from the pro car park lobbyist's in the main parties.

    https://dublinpeople.com/news/travel/articles/2024/07/01/higgins-intervention-in-city-traffic-row-inappropriate/

    https://irishcycle.com/2024/06/30/junior-ministers-attempt-to-delay-dublin-city-traffic-plan-until-at-least-2025-is-outrageous/

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/07/08/high-time-fine-gael-took-seriously-the-problems-confronting-dublin-city/

    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-centre-transport-plan-6423612-Jul2024/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭scrabtom


    I know a fair few people living in her constituency and I've told them all at one point or another to under no circumstances vote for her because of that intervention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,145 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/18/ontario-toronto-bike-lanes

    Technically the opposite of the thread title 🫣

    Frightening that this sort of political move is seen as a potential vote winner.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    You see it everywhere. In London, many right leaning politicians are against cycle lanes and LTNs. Even here, you had FG's Regina Doherty spouting bo***cks about cycle lanes and doubling down on it when it was pointed out to be bo***cos!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    Just filled it out as well. Seems to me since it's not a huge space compared to other major cities, it might not be possible to tick all the boxes they have in mind. It really just needs to be a space where people want to hang out, with traffic gone, and places to sit etc.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,329 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why would people want to hang out on College Green?

    Merrion Square, Trinity Cricket Grounds, St. Stephen's Green, Temple Bar Square etc. are all much nicer places to hang out, depending on what you are hanging out for.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They wouldn't at the moment. That is the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    Yeah, as pointed out above, people can't walk through the area fast enough now, because all it is, is a road junction, but if a reasonable sized, traffic free open space is created, then various possibilities arise that you wouldn't necessarily get in St. Stephen's Green which is the only public space in your list. Small events like concerts, busking etc. and if suitable kinds of seating is provided then I'd expect it would be a place where people would "hang out".

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭scrabtom


    It could be nice if they put a bit of a bandstand in there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,329 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Merrion Square is a public space. Trinity hosts concerts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,145 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    following on from a discussion on the topic of permeability i spotted in a thread about maynooth.

    i don't think it was here, might have been twitter, where i saw a 'challenge' to find the longest walk for the shortest distance in ireland. i.e. how far was the longest walk you had to undertake in relation to the actual 'as the crow files' distance. i think someone found one in leixlip where there was a walk of over 40 minutes (by google maps' estimate) to get to a point about 150m away. anyone know if my memory is accurate, and if so, where that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,448 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    cheers - that bus stop one is bananas. i mentioned the maynooth issue to my wife and apparently there are similar fights in ashbourne too; parents abandoning their cars in one housing estate to get to a nearby school, so people in that estate want the 'gap in the wall' sealed up to deter the fly parking.

    edit: or else it's that they're fighting against a gap being created because of fears of fly parking. she heard it from her mum, who may not have had the details right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,448 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And you fix that parking by having the parking warden fine everyone, every day, for a random week in the school year for all the illegal parking.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'll try to find out the estate; it may be that there are no explicit parking restrictions in place.

    i can't see them sending in a parking warden; i live on a bus lane that recently went 24 hours and they can't be arsed policing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,448 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Councils do parking enforcement as well as Guards, in North Kildare it makes a reasonable profit as they're reminded to do it properly!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    If you live in an estate with fly parking by randomers get the council to introduce paid parking. It works wonders but costs residents €50 a year, or care to always park off-road.

    It worked fantastically in our road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Pity we don't have the Concept of "Local Residents" only car parking and streets. P&D works to a point; but it can still be cheap in many Citys and towns to park up and residents still get those "car searching" traffic on the street as well. Common enough feature in many European City's.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    'Local Residents' is hard to implement without Resident permits that must be paid for, and what about visitors? Well, the paid permit includes a number of day permits.

    Also, where on street parking is limited, it sorts the issue fairly. Now some households might have many cars, while their neighbour has only one - a source for conflict.

    Apartment blocks get over this with assigned places - could that work for cul-de-sacs or small estates?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    an escalating charge for every extra car per household? and each car must be in a unique name.

    IIRC dublin city council also check that the car is insured at the address.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i found one near where my brother lives - a 15 minute walk between two houses about 20m apart.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.3733946,-6.3934085/53.3733946,-6.3931873/@53.3735825,-6.3931873,320m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e2?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    to walk from the main entrance of the nearby secondary school to the house in riverwood i've linked is 1.2km; opening up that gap in the wall would knock half that off. but an awful lot of riverwood doesn't actually have footpaths, which is bizarre. was that allowed under planning permission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,448 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Can see that from the aerial

    Like, it the roads were surfaced as shared surface, with repeated speed limiting indents etc etc it'd be OK-ish, but that's just American as it stands.

    Can't imagine An Post is even that happy about it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the estate featured on an RTE program a good few years ago - dublin fire brigade were highlighting the design of some estates which made it very hard for fire tenders to navigate, especially if they were sent down the wrong cul-de-sac.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Was this estate built in the 1980's?

    Certain estates in Galway City in KnocknaCarra that have this "feature" that were built back then - brought down the cost of Development not having to put in pavements + freed up additional land for more houses



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