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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    An anti democracy nutter tried to grab the microphone at one point and garda did not interfer, the protesters had to surround him and move him away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Paul2019


    "No consultation about clogging Dublin with cars in the first place."

    Cars have had a ruinous effect on our public transport for decades.

    Cars prevent improvements to public transport.

    Cars have killed and maimed many users of the city centre.

    Cars and congestion deter untold numbers from coming into the city in the first place.

    Cars and congestion create pollution suffered by all users of the city.

    Cars and congestion are worsening the climate crisis for which we'll all pay dearly and in many ways.

    A big "HELLO, WAKE UP" to Mr Shakespeare, Fine Gael and the Car Park People who are trapped in the 1950s !!!! There's a climate emergency in progress and you're making it worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    The discussion on the Claire Byrne show yesterday was amusing and worth a listen back to.

    The Car Park guy was threatening "dire" economic consequences from the plan. Although his tone wasn't hysterical, his language certainly was. The Commuter Coalition fella was well able for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭gjim


    It's great to see improved civic engagement with respect to the centre of the city. Surely a reflection of the rapidly changing demographics of the core.

    Traditionally the actual inhabitants of the core of the city were largely "just poor people" or "transients" - those with political and bureaucratic power resided in the leafy suburbs.

    Reading some of the history of the 1960s and 70s road-widening schemes in Dublin, what's surprising was that it isn't just a modern phenomena to reject these sort of schemes. These schemes were almost universally unpopular with the inhabitants of the city. Yet despite mass protests and some sympathetic media, the council (corporation back then) just ignored it and with incredible arrogance charged ahead with mass CPOing terraces around the city, kicking out the businesses and residents and then allowing the buildings to rot as the council only had a budget for the demolition but not the construction of their dreamed dual-carraigeways criss crossing the centre of the city. Want to demolish homes, businesses and historic building stock for road-widening schemes to improve commuting by car times? Do in the centre of the city. Want a massive drug treatment centre to serve addicts from a wide metropolitan area? Put it in the centre. Want to build concentrated areas of "flats"/social housing - again use the centre (or completely outside the city).

    While even suggesting disruption to a suburban tram service in order to provide the first proper metro line in the city and the well resourced and powerfully connected citizens Ranelagh will come at you and win.

    While the demographics have changed (I believe the population within the canals has doubled in the last 25 years - including presumably lots of relatively high earners), the ingrained snobbery and arrogance of DCC towards the people and the city they are supposed to be representing has not.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    In fairness to Richard Shakespeare, he has decided to go ahead with the Dublin city transport plan. I think it was kinda untenable for him to ignore all the protesters and the councillors, but even so, he deserves some small measure of credit.

    As others online have pointed out, there's sure to be a judicial review, so Dublin Commuter Coalition have said that they'll hold weekly protests outside any business that brings one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It's frustrating but a good start I guess all things considered. A good few Saturday sit-ins on that left turning lane on Bachelor's walk could get it over the line, will need some good weather in September.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    GCN seems to have found its teeth again a little since being bought back by the founder; this is a good video:



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Not so much reducing access for cars, but making clear pedestrian priority across junctions with side roads. DCC to make footpaths continuous across these junctions, with no drop in height for pedestrians.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I got a leaflet in the door a week or two back to explain to motorists how to deal with junctions along the upgraded cycle path. Will post photos later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 kearnc25




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    The National Transport Authority also reported that public transport journey times on the north and south quays have reduced by around 24% over the past month.

    That was echoed by Dublin Bus who have said they are seeing increases in reliability and frequency of their services since the plan came into force.

    There has been an 11% rise in the number using public transport since 25 August.

    How many times do we hear people say that we shouldn't be restricting car usage without improving public transport first. Well here you go, restricting car usage massively improves public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I don't disagree with your post at all.

    But the quoted 11% rise in usage is a meaningless statistic as that's when the schools came back and services were ramped up again after the summer holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Yes, and you wouldn't expect passenger numbers to react that quickly for what were preexisting services. The reduction in journey times is certainly welcome, particularly as it comes at a time when journey times usually increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Was about to post the same - it’s the reduction in journey times that’s the key metric for me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/proposal-soho-pedestrianised-alongside-oxford-30219548



    Interesting turn of events here, with businesses asking for pedestrianisation and the local council pushing back against them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    that appears to have a deterious effect on ambient light and runs counter to the policy goals of "over the shop living" schemes. it also appears to be creating a literal echo chamber and I wonder will the fabric canopies if not regularly cleaned give the street the aura of Heuston or Connolly Station in the 90s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    when i lived in london they used to pedestrianise oxford st the couple of weekends before christmas for shoppers. it kind of goes against the trope that businesses will die if you don't let cars drive everywhere. mostly buses and taxis on oxford st anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Thanks for the link, I just filled it out.

    I'm curious if people agree/disagree with my views on this. I am concerned we are creating 2 distinct districts north and south of the river (Capel Street Area and Dame Street Area), which will, ultimately, be poorly served by public transport unless you live directly on the Red Line Luas or one of the very limited routes which are planned to serve George's Street.

    For myself, and most people, the distance from the top of George's Street or the middle of Capel Street will be 600-800m from one of the main connection areas in the city (Westmoreland / D'Oliver / OCS).

    Currently, coming from Drumcondra, I'm inclined to avoid the Capel Street Area and head to the Dame Street Area instead, as it's easier to access. Arguably, both areas will be more difficult to access following closure of College Green.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I'd there a point in doing this now? We're 3 years away from the bus connects network revision finishing. Can buses be diverted before that?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Just change onto the Luas. I'm not really seeing the major problem here.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I'd guess that the planning process on this will take more time than is left in the BusConnects Network changes….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Shakespeare was Keegan's right hand man in DLR for years, and followed Keegan to DCC in a similar role - before stepping into his shoes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    For Capel Street, you're quicker walking from Parnell/Westmoreland than switching to a Luas at Abbey Street and going one stop to Jervis, which is still another 300metres from the middle of Capel Street.

    The 'problem' or point I'm making, is that an 800-1000m walk from Parnell/Westmoreland to Capel Street is a very poor connection. The same is going to apply to George's Street as soon as College Green is closed.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    But then you can walk (which is what the vast majority of people will do). The option is still there to get the Luas for those who do not want to, or cannot, walk that distance.

    I don't think there is anything particularly unusually poor about the connection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Both districts are quite well served by public transport, just not joined so directly. I can't remember them ever having much that resembled a direct connection. The 83 maybe?

    If walking 800m is genuinely a problem it's about 400m from Dominick to Capel Street.

    Or from Westmoreland jump on the first bus going down the quays and go 1 or 2 stops (the 90 minute transfer means it's probably not going to cost anything extra)

    Dublin is bigger than it used to be. Not everything that happens in the city is going to happen with a couple of minutes walk of a single point on a map. The city is going to be multicentric and transport is going to be multimodal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Yeah Capel Street was never 'directly' served by any route. If some buses went down Dorset street, it could add another option perhaps. George's Street / Dame Street on the other hand is very directly served by multiple routes. These will almost entirely be removed, which is a definite downside of the College Green plaza (which I fully support, to be clear).

    The issue I'm making with the connection is if you have to walk 200-300 metres to go one stop on a Luas/Bus, then walk another 200-400m once you get off, the connection simply isn't worth making. It's far quicker to walk. Unfortunately that walk is going to be 700+ metres from the main connection points around OCS bridge to George's/Capel.

    City Center or not, no planning guidelines for public transport consider 700m+ to be an acceptable walking distance. If anything, transport guidelines recommend shorter distances in the city centre, less than 400m.



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